Ken Livingstone

It seems some here think that those of us who believe the whole thing has been carefully timed and orchestrated are paranoïd- but I cannot fathom how anyone could actually naïvely believe it has all happened by chance and out of the blue.

Yes I did take them personally obieone, I would not belong to and support any party which was racist.

Plus I remember the assassination of Michael Foot by the Tory press , honesty seems to alarm some

I know you did Anniebach, but you took his remarks very personally, so I was trying to remind you of your own words.

To my mind, when someone says the Labour Party, I didnt think that anyone would have thought that meant all members.
Though gramatically I think you are correct

All this is an attack on Corbyn, a Tory dirty tricks yet again.

Then the chief rabbi should had referred to some members if the Labour Party not the Labour Party .

And obeine, I said in an earlier post I am but one, no need for your reminder I am not

The Labour Party appear to have suspended a number of its members. I obviously dont have all the details of those, but I cant see that the Labour Party of which Jeremy Corbyn is head, would have done that lightly or without evidence - trisher-.

In my last post damage should have been debate.

I agree it's no different from other posters dismissing The Guardian, ab, but two blacks don't make a white; and the Chief Rabbi isn't exactly a paid hack of the Barclay Brothers.

And I don't think anyone is accusing the Labour Party as an entity, or all its individual members, of being racist or anti-semitic. What has been needed from the leadership is a more considered response than "we can't be racist or anti-semitic because we're the Labour Party," or something along those lines: a response that deals with the now widespread accusation that the perceived anti-semitism is tied in with anti-imperialism and an outdated left-wing agenda.

obeione if you think the Labour Party has problems with anti-semitism please give examples of this.
I think there is a problem with people trying to stitch up left wing Labour party members by accusing them of anti-semitism. KL is a great example. He has been extensively criticised for his remarks (made off the cuff in an unscripted interview) the facts of which have been confirmed by very prominent Jewish intellectuals, although KL did get the terminology wrong.

You are not the Labour Party by yourself. You are but one member of the Labour Party.
As you say, one person cannot be judged by the actions of another.

I do think though that the Labour Party has problems with anti-semetism.

I dont think that you can decide that the chief rabbi was lying. You dont know enough Labour Party members for that.

Because obieone, the Labour Party is being accused of being racist and I am part of the Labour Party . My g grandfather - a baptist minister - supported Keir Hardie in the birth of the Labour Party, I have journals written at that time, nothing has changed from Keir Hardie's principles to Corbyn's principles. The fight for the poor, the rights of workers etc, defence of all people who are suppressed - no mention of race or skin colour or faith

I agree that the image has been burst though - big time

How many would people think there have to be to say there is a problem with anti-semetism?

Oh! Before anyo ne takes offence -I absolutely don't mean anybody on here I meant those politicians trying to stitch up Corbyn etc.

Why do you think he is judging you?

Don't let the b........ds get you down annie you know what is right.

No different to other posters dismissing the Guardian grumppa , not sure what you mean by cindemjng it out if hand, if you mean I object strongly to the chief rabbi referring to the Labour Party as he did , yes I dismiss it because it is a lie, there are over 400,000 people in the Labour Party , I being just one, he is judging me with the comments allegedly said by a few.

If this is fair I can judge all members of the Tory party as Coke sniffers because
Osbourn sniffed Coke ?

All Tory party members supported apartheid in S A because Csneron did?

As an active member of the Labour Party for many years I have always fought against racism

I am so angry with the allegations , I fought so hard against racism I was invited to take tea with Desmond Tutu when he came to Wales , I detest all forms of racism and I know Corbyn is not a racist, and what an odd party we are to have a Jewish leader untill eight months ago

I fear the way this is going,

Yes but it's in the Telegraph. Does that count, as it's owned by tax cheats ( DJ)
and
didn't realise it was from the torygraph Jen, explains much (*ab*)

Grumppa I think you have your answer.

I wasn't arguing about Israel being treated as a sacred cow, ab; I was questioning your apparent dismissal of what the Chief Rabbi wrote just because it was in the DT.

If you don't agree with what he said, that's fine by me; I thought it was a pretty unhelpful contribution to the damage. But you appeared to condemn it out of hand because of where it appeared.

Fully agree Trisha

The chairman of Jewish refugees has asked Cameron to allow child refugees into this country, good for him.

Nelliemoser, thank you so much , I have only seen the sketch not what said beneath.

I agree with Naz , she said no different to what Israel said.

I am deeply worried about the way people who have campaigned all their lives against racism are now being stigmatised and condemned as anti-semetic because they have spoken out about the abuse of Palestinians. It is an orchestrated campaign to bring the left of the Labour party into disrepute. How many people will read more about this and realise that KL was historically right if his terminology was inaccurate? The anti-semetic allegation will remain in the mind of the public, not the details of the remarks.

Have a look at Zak Goldsmith's mayoral campaign and then decide who is the real racist. It is beyond despicable.

Have a l look at this which was the cartoon which placed Israel in the middle of America.
IMO this is a legitimate comment about the Israeli ideas of sending Palestinians to live in other Arab countries. It is a clever statement that needs thoughtful reading.

voxpoliticalonline.com/2016/05/03/this-revelation-could-throw-the-whole-anti-semitism-row-into-reverse/

.grumppa, if ANY religious leader condemned the treatment of Palestine by Israel they would be speaking the truth. The chief rabbi condemned thousands of people by comments of a few.

I am fed up of Israel being treated as a sacred cow, they have now taken more land off Palestine why should they be defended for-breaking international law?

I didn't hear the interview so have no idea how Feltz put her question , was she critical of Naz ? did she make any comment on the cartoon Naz put on Facebook -before she was an MP. Being a Jew was Feltz discussing the allegations fairly ?