Ken Livingstone

(or worst)

Almost as bad as the Daily Mail ?

Only to Labourites.

Lowbrow ones at that, according to The Mirror's Wiki write-up

Grief are you saying that Tories actually like the DM?

royandsyl - do you really have to be a leftie to be against the treatment of Palestinians at the hands of Israel, really? Or to see through extremely well timed manipulation tactics of the press by certain groups? You don't need to be a leftie to see through this- you'd have to be blind to miss it.

Jalima,

I think you've maybe misundertsood me or I'm missing something.

What's wrong with the Daily Mirror article? I think Michele Hanson would probably agree with most of it. I know I do.

I know I promised to butt out of this thread, but I just can't help myself ;-)

Six (seven?) examples of antisemiticism have been quoted in the Labour Party, which really doesn't prove that antisemiticism is 'rife'. If you delve a bit deeper, some of them definitiely cross the line into antisemiticism by any definition. Others cross that line if you accept the line that any criticism of Israel is antisemitic . Others are daft. As for Livingstone - I think maybe he should be put out to grass and leave the whisky bottle in the drinks cabinet (personal opinion). None of that means that antisemiticism is 'rife' in the Labour Party.

I'm not in denial about antisemitism in the UK. I think it's much more widespread than six people in a membership of 300,000(?), which is about .002%. Even the most generous surveys suggest that at least 5% of the population holds strong antisemitic views and my personal guess is that it's much higher and it needs to be stamped out, along with any other form of racism.

royandsyll regarding your amazement at the amount of lefties on this site.
Have you heard of the phrase "older and wiser"?

Or perhaps just more vocal? According to the GN survey last year, there are more Tory supporters than Labour supporters who are members. Not everyone has an appetite for being embroiled in political ping-pobg matches.

ping-pong!

I thought the Daily Mirror traditionally supported Labour.

That comment was re Jalima's a little after five o'clock.

Well you seem vocal enough Ana ;)

Making assumptions again, granjura?

7 our of 25 on this page are from you Ana- that makes... 28% if I am not mistaken- so no, no assumptions here are all.

And previous pages? Get things in perspective, please.

Yes, but that many comments on this thread makes it rife, Ana, even if there were no others on the previous 7 pages.

Of course I get it, obieone. Shame you cannot understand when someone's taking the piss.

Or am I?

Makes what 'rife'?

I think you'll find comments by you and granjura make up a much larger percentage of this thread.

If six comments about Israel by labour party members makes antisemitism rife in the labour party, then the number of comments by you on this thread makes your vocalisation on this thread rife, Ana.
We are looking at the definition of rife, not what is rife.
Do you understand?
10 or 11 out of 200 is more rife than 6 out of 300,000.

I thought the Daily Mirror traditionally supported Labour. Yes it does, I think, but it is a 'rag'
(Only my opinion, of course, others may think it intellectually superior to any other daily newspaper.)

That's just ridiculous, dj.

Yes, as I said in my previous post about the Mirror, it was originally pitched at the middle classes but ended up being the tabloid of choice for the more 'lowbrow' consumer.

Still, it obviously provides certain articles to give ammunition to certain viewpoints. If the Guardian fails, have a look at the Mirror website!

but only selected articles!
and I don't mean that because of the labour bias, I mean it because of the trash!

I am sure it was never like that when DF used to read it.
We had the Mirror and the Mail in our house when I was a child (!)
Very balanced

Ping-pong- you seem very good at it actually ;)

Now I wouldn't dream of calling anyone or group 'über' vocal or playing political ping-pong- but then you chose to do so, no? Personally I'd consider it quite rude, but hey ho.

Or perhaps just more vocal? According to the GN survey last year, there are more Tory supporters than Labour supporters who are members. Not everyone has an appetite for being embroiled in political ping-pong matches

I think this is a legitimate matter of opinion and really does not qualify as "rude".
Let's face it, there are some strongly held opinions on GN as elsewhere in RL and debate/discussion can regularly descend into verbal "ping pong" as those with strong views are as unlikely to change their minds as for instance Durhamjen might be seen linking to the Daily Telegraph!