Ken Livingstone

or playing political ping-pong- but then you chose to do so, no? Personally I'd consider it quite rude, but hey ho
There is plenty of political ping-pong on the threads; I never realised it was rude.

Jalima, Calling the Mirror a 'rag' is a bit snobbish! ;-) Kevin Maguire, who wrote the article, used to be a senior reporter for the Guardian and has worked for the BBC amongst others. Are the Guardian and BBC 'rags'? I actually think he's one of the best journalists in the UK, without going off into intellectual philosophising or making up supporting 'facts'. I can usually rely on him to give a basic summary of what's going on in not too many words.

The Daily Mirror is just about the only Labour supporting mainstream newspaper left. BBC News has gone 'tabloid' and the Guardian doesn't seem to know where it stands any more since Jonathan Freedlander became Editor. I read the Independent Online, but its website is awful and often crashes my computer.

I read at least twenty online news sources a day, about half of which are foreign, because I try to get a balanced view and look at issues from different perspectives. The Mirror has been one of my regular daily sites for months. I read the Mail Online about once a week (with gritted teeth) - the Mail on Sunday has a different editorial team and is better. I don't actually know how anybody can consider the Daily Mail a serious newspaper, certainly not the online version. Unless some item of news fits in with its agenda, it's buried somewhere amongst the 'toned bodies' or gossip about the Kardashian family (who?) or just doesn't appear at all.

I refuse to pay Murdoch for reading his newspapers, so don't read the Sun or the Times. The Telegraph allows 10 articles a month for free and I usually read them, but have to be selective.

Or the Daily Mail!
(in which rag people may have enjoyed the memoirs of Tony Benn! - and other Labour notables).

It's like taking a poll - or holding an election - it is the Don't Knows who hold the sway.

Well you know, glass houses and all that! ;)

Or perhaps just more vocal? According to the GN survey last year, there are more Tory supporters than Labour supporters who are members. Not everyone has an appetite for being embroiled in political ping-pong matches

I think this is a legitimate matter of opinion and really does not qualify as "rude".
Let's face it, there are some strongly held opinions on GN as elsewhere in RL and debate/discussion can regularly descend into verbal "ping pong" as those with strong views are as unlikely to change their minds as for instance Durhamjen might be seen linking to the Daily Telegraph!

Ping-pong- you seem very good at it actually ;)

Now I wouldn't dream of calling anyone or group 'über' vocal or playing political ping-pong- but then you chose to do so, no? Personally I'd consider it quite rude, but hey ho.

but only selected articles!
and I don't mean that because of the labour bias, I mean it because of the trash!

I am sure it was never like that when DF used to read it.
We had the Mirror and the Mail in our house when I was a child (!)
Very balanced

That's just ridiculous, dj.

Yes, as I said in my previous post about the Mirror, it was originally pitched at the middle classes but ended up being the tabloid of choice for the more 'lowbrow' consumer.

Still, it obviously provides certain articles to give ammunition to certain viewpoints. If the Guardian fails, have a look at the Mirror website!

I thought the Daily Mirror traditionally supported Labour. Yes it does, I think, but it is a 'rag'
(Only my opinion, of course, others may think it intellectually superior to any other daily newspaper.)

If six comments about Israel by labour party members makes antisemitism rife in the labour party, then the number of comments by you on this thread makes your vocalisation on this thread rife, Ana.
We are looking at the definition of rife, not what is rife.
Do you understand?
10 or 11 out of 200 is more rife than 6 out of 300,000.

Makes what 'rife'?

I think you'll find comments by you and granjura make up a much larger percentage of this thread.

Of course I get it, obieone. Shame you cannot understand when someone's taking the piss.

Or am I?

Yes, but that many comments on this thread makes it rife, Ana, even if there were no others on the previous 7 pages.

And previous pages? Get things in perspective, please.

7 our of 25 on this page are from you Ana- that makes... 28% if I am not mistaken- so no, no assumptions here are all.

Making assumptions again, granjura?

Well you seem vocal enough Ana ;)

That comment was re Jalima's a little after five o'clock.

I thought the Daily Mirror traditionally supported Labour.

ping-pong!

Or perhaps just more vocal? According to the GN survey last year, there are more Tory supporters than Labour supporters who are members. Not everyone has an appetite for being embroiled in political ping-pobg matches.

royandsyll regarding your amazement at the amount of lefties on this site.
Have you heard of the phrase "older and wiser"?

Jalima,

I think you've maybe misundertsood me or I'm missing something.

What's wrong with the Daily Mirror article? I think Michele Hanson would probably agree with most of it. I know I do.

I know I promised to butt out of this thread, but I just can't help myself ;-)

Six (seven?) examples of antisemiticism have been quoted in the Labour Party, which really doesn't prove that antisemiticism is 'rife'. If you delve a bit deeper, some of them definitiely cross the line into antisemiticism by any definition. Others cross that line if you accept the line that any criticism of Israel is antisemitic . Others are daft. As for Livingstone - I think maybe he should be put out to grass and leave the whisky bottle in the drinks cabinet (personal opinion). None of that means that antisemiticism is 'rife' in the Labour Party.

I'm not in denial about antisemitism in the UK. I think it's much more widespread than six people in a membership of 300,000(?), which is about .002%. Even the most generous surveys suggest that at least 5% of the population holds strong antisemitic views and my personal guess is that it's much higher and it needs to be stamped out, along with any other form of racism.

royandsyl - do you really have to be a leftie to be against the treatment of Palestinians at the hands of Israel, really? Or to see through extremely well timed manipulation tactics of the press by certain groups? You don't need to be a leftie to see through this- you'd have to be blind to miss it.

Grief are you saying that Tories actually like the DM?