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Electoral Fraud investigation

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JessM Sun 08-May-16 19:44:15

Not sure that this has had much coverage but it's a potentially explosive issue in Westminster. It's alleged that, during the 2015 campaign, the Tory party failed to account properly for expenditure. There are strict spending limits per candidate and they are supposed to declare everything. The allegation is that Tory central office bussed in squads of activists to work on behalf of local candidates and that the expenditure on hotel bills etc was not shown on the constituency accounts.
Grant Shapps was in charge of the bus full of activists - joint party chairman at the time. He has recently said that accounting for the expenditure was not his responsibility - thus passing the blame on to the current party chairman.
See this article for the constituencies which might be involved.
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eight-police-forces-launch-investigations-into-tory-general-election-2015-fraud-accusations-a7017976.html

petra Thu 02-Jun-16 14:27:52

Signed. Even if, like me, you don't read dj's links, please please sign this one. It's very important.

durhamjen Thu 02-Jun-16 11:22:15

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/121375
Only 1499 signatures so far.
Anyone else want to sign up?

durhamjen Thu 02-Jun-16 11:19:57

That's why the electoral commission should be given more legal rights. They should be able to look into every breach of the rules, not have to hand it over to local police forces.
There should also be a time limit of say a month by which time all the financial information should be with them. As it is, it's only if someone asks to see them that the information comes to light.

JessM Thu 02-Jun-16 09:20:07

Who knows. There is a lot of other news around. I complained to the BBC and got a very prompt reply that the had been covering it, honestly. So why have so few people heard about it I wonder. I have been wondering how big the constitutional crisis could be if the conservative majority was proved to have been gained through fraud. Would all the legislation they have passed in the last year be overturned? If so would the referendum result be potentially voided if it was for leaving (if for remaining no issue). How does all this work in a constitution that is not written down and who decides? How long would all this take? Any constitutional lawyers in the GN house??
In the meantime the burden is on lots of police forces all working independently, with the Tories delaying the process of handing over documents. We could find that we are into another general election in October for other reasons, and one thing is for sure, there would be a lot of people watching the Tories like hawks next time.

durhamjen Wed 01-Jun-16 23:54:18

Interesting ideas in here from Michael White about why it isn't more prominent in the media.

www.theguardian.com/media/2016/jun/01/channel-4-leads-the-way-on-tory-election-claims

Also lots of links.

durhamjen Wed 01-Jun-16 20:40:51

I like the fact that the judge realised that there was undue delay in the Tory party getting their expenses out into the public domain, as well.

whitewave Wed 01-Jun-16 20:39:19

We can but hope, but knowing how this lot have so much in their pockets I won't hold my breath

JessM Wed 01-Jun-16 20:33:01

www.channel4.com/news/election-expenses-allegations-on-an-unprecedented-scale
Interesting comments from the judge about the possibility that the election could be declared void.

durhamjen Wed 01-Jun-16 16:54:42

Just another sixteen nice judges to go.

whitewave Wed 01-Jun-16 16:40:14

Good.

durhamjen Wed 01-Jun-16 16:29:34

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JessM Wed 01-Jun-16 07:58:39

Thank you for that link Durhamjen outlining allegations that Tory HQ was employing temps during the election campaign to phone voters in marginal constituencies and do rather more than just market research (which is allowed). Asking neutral questions OK, asking leading questions that might influence people not ok unless you declare the spending on the temps in the local spending returns. You don't get many temps for £15k, which is the local limit.
These are presumably the kind of "political services" for which Lynton Crosby was both paid and knighted.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynton_Crosby

durhamjen Tue 31-May-16 22:10:55

That's what it looks like, daphne. The Polish man involved said he had filled the form in accurately, giving his nationality as Polish, but the person in the office had made a mistake, which has been corrected now.
The EU members I know who live here have not had a polling card.

daphnedill Tue 31-May-16 22:07:23

I doubt if it's fraud and certainly not by politicians. It's more likely to be administrative error/incompetence by council staff, which isn't the same thing.

practical Tue 31-May-16 21:43:14

another fraud happening on top of the one this thread is about
CALLS were growing tonight for an urgent inquiry into the integrity of the EU referendum amid claims that European citizens are being sent polling cards despite being ineligible to vote.

durhamjen Tue 31-May-16 18:30:41

www.thecanary.co/2016/05/31/whistleblower-exposes-major-new-allegation-tory-election-fraud-scandal-exclusive/

practical Mon 30-May-16 22:07:10

durhamjen that 'we will learn lessons' comments they always make drives me insane especially when they say it about social workers when yet another child is killed.

durhamjen Mon 30-May-16 22:01:22

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/121375

For the electoral commission to investigate any fraud. The problem is that there is no central collection of accounts. There should be, then this could not happen.
On the other hand, what is not wanted is a "We will learn lessons" statement.

practical Mon 30-May-16 20:51:32

whitewave they are supposed to save the voting papers for a year and a day. In south Thanet the box's that went missing and were found with the security tabs broke, the contents were shredded same day.

durhamjen Mon 30-May-16 19:27:29

It didn't. It says your link does not exist. Never mind.
This link works

t.co/LBD2DvBZUp

It's a database of supposedly national Tory spend at the general election. It's amazing how much national stuff is spent in the marginals, rather than nationally.
I was also surprised at how much they spent on research at change.org.

JessM Mon 30-May-16 19:25:02

This is looking like the biggest corruption of democracy since the abolition of rotten boroughs. And the BBC are more or less ignoring it. Have complained. They spent a huge amount of time covering the anti-semitism in the Labour Party allegations and virtually none so far on this.
This country is in the invidious position of being taken into an incredibly important referendum based on legislation passed by a government that may have won the election due to wholesale expenses fraud. A constitutional crisis or what?

durhamjen Mon 30-May-16 19:19:52

twitter.com/LabourEoin/status/737005494867505152?lang=en-gb

Hope this makes it easier, Jess.

JessM Sun 29-May-16 22:43:00

Every day on Twitter there is more information emerging about the extent of this fraud. Today it was alleged that Tory HQ hired a temp via an ad in the job centre to give out leaflets and go around the constituency helping the activists. A Scottish activist apparently posted on Facebook details of her trip down south to help campaign in Thanet South including meals etc.
Most interesting of all is the evidence that the Tory HQ had EIGHT "battle buses" going around the country in 2015, full of teams campaigning for local candidates. See photos with their different registration numbers on this twitter sitehttps://twitter.com/LabourEoin/status/737005494867505152?lang=en-gb

durhamjen Sat 28-May-16 00:05:44

Under current rules, election spending returns are not published online. Instead they are held by returning officers in council offices and only made available for inspection on request.

That's got to change.

durhamjen Sat 28-May-16 00:00:53

politicalscrapbook.net/2016/05/calderdale-conservatives-chair-resigns-after-police-investigation-over-election-expenses-emails-leaked/

Here's another one. Chair resigned over expenses in Calderdale. The books look decidedly dodgy.