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Anniebach Mon 30-May-16 13:02:28

BBC news announced the English football squad would be given extra protection as would the other home countries . Seems we should refer to the UK as England and Co. Or England and the rest

daphnedill Tue 31-May-16 18:42:26

There doesn't need to be a BBC England, because England is the biggest, richest and most powerful country in the UK. Therefore, the BBC is dominated by England anyway. However, I think it's in its charter that it has to respect minorities, such as the smaller countries in the UK, which is why they sometimes have their own programmes.

As a child and teenager living on Merseyside, we used to receive our TV signal from a Welsh transmitter, so occasionally got Welsh language programmes and news. I thought they were fascinating, especially the recipe programmes for some reason.

Jalima Tue 31-May-16 19:15:17

daphnedil I try to avoid mention of it but it is difficult when DH and DS get together, (although I only know who qualified when I read this post!).
Although DH is very partial to whisky and marmalade and I love Arbroath smokies and good salmon grin

Jalima Tue 31-May-16 19:16:05

I now fancy an Arbroath smokie for my dinner rather than the sausages which are in the oven hmm

thatbags Tue 31-May-16 19:24:35

grumppa, no, you didn't mention the British Isles but you said British wouldn't do because it would exclude Northern Ireland. I don't think it would exclude a country that is in the British Isles. Aren't all the islands and countries of the British Isles British by definition?

grumppa Wed 01-Jun-16 00:43:51

Tell that to the Republic of Ireland!

daphnedill Wed 01-Jun-16 00:55:35

@thatbags

No, they're not. The British Isles is a geographic term.

thatbags Wed 01-Jun-16 06:40:32

So is the term British as I was using it.

thatbags Wed 01-Jun-16 06:44:12

You were talking about Northern Ireland though, grumpps. Anyway, never mind. I'm just being pedantic, in keeping with the OP. In my mind Ireland is British in the same way all of the British Isles are European, whether they are members of the European Union or not.

thatbags Wed 01-Jun-16 06:44:55

But, yeah, what the hell.

Jalima Wed 01-Jun-16 10:13:44

I was thinking about this earlier this morning (yes, I know go and 'get a life') and the conclusion I came to was that there must be sufficient intelligence of a risk of terrorism to warrant UK national football teams being given extra protection.
Now, that to me is frightening, yet the emphasis of the OP is on the BBC supposedly snubbing Wales and NI.
Taking your eye off the ball springs to mind. Let's hope none of the footballers do that and all goes well with no incidents.

Anniebach Wed 01-Jun-16 10:28:31

I disagree Jamila, two separate things, concern for the safety of players has not a thing to do with the BBC dismissing countries as other home nations .

trisher Wed 01-Jun-16 10:46:43

But if the threat to the England team was say a red alert and for the Welsh was only an amber would it still be advisable to mention all the teams by name?

Anniebach Wed 01-Jun-16 11:39:20

If the English team were on red alert and the rest of the U.K on amber alert I think the English team on red alert and the rest of the U.K teams on Amber is fair, but it wasn't so,

The six and ten BBC news yesterday spoke of the English and Welsh teams , this is all I expect . My knowledge of football is nil , I didn't know North and South of Ireland played as one team , if NI had their own team I think the three should be named . My objection is the countries being classed as the other home teams . If the four countries were playing I would expect - the four home countries. That everyone - with the exception of three on this thread - dismiss me as nit picking doesn't bother me , I think it is they who are the nit pickers leaping on my post in such an unpleasant manner

Nonnie1 Wed 01-Jun-16 11:44:53

I just wish I could call myself 'English' without fear of being called an 'ist'.

Scottish people can do that, and so can Welsh and Irish, but in calling oneself 'English' it seems to be regarded as confrontational.

Anniebach Wed 01-Jun-16 12:10:44

I disagree Nonnie, it isn't an English person saying they are English that can cause the problem, it is English people who cannot accept they are an equal part of the U.K. Can't recall the poster sorry but she said England should have more prominence because it has a bigger population , I disagree

I belonged to a forum for years when AOL had their boards. One St. David's Day there was a thread where English members had posted nice messages to me, some were in Welsh , I only replied thank you in Welsh and how kind in English . A poster was furious, told me it was an English speaking only forum and she reported me , this resulted in a battle with AOL and I reported AOL , they were told as Welsh was an official language of the U.K I had a legal right to use it and it was for them to have an interpreter to check if I said anything against forum rules . I explained to AOL I didn't want to post in Welsh , it would be pointless and stupid, I did want the right to say the very occasional word and would add an English translation, problem over, but all that distress caused by one little englander

Nonnie1 Wed 01-Jun-16 12:28:20

One little 'Englander' does not a whole nation make sad

daphnedill Wed 01-Jun-16 12:29:41

@thatbags

'British' is a term used to refer to nationality. The Northern Irish are British.

Ireland (Eire) is part of the British Isles, but its citizens aren't British.

trisher Wed 01-Jun-16 12:33:44

Or Nonnie1 of being called a 'little englander'
In a democracy Anniebach the government is chosen by the greatest number of votes cast. Therefore by force of numbers the English have more say in the UK (much as you may dislike this) unless you propose some other form of governance they will continue to do so.
I don't see what your using the Welsh language on a forum has to do with any of this. I have always supported the use of a country's language wherever possible. And I never said that the English should have more prominence only that the news should be targeted to the largest audience.
As you admit that 2 of the news programmes named the Welsh team, the news is sometimes written to accommodate maximum info in least words so perhaps that is the reason for the omission.

Jalima Wed 01-Jun-16 12:33:55

I disagree Jamila, two separate things, concern for the safety of players has not a thing to do with the BBC dismissing countries as other home nations
But a deflection from the real and very serious, worrying issue

I didn't know North and South of Ireland played as one team
I didn't know that either

I hope I have not been unpleasant, I just think it is a side issue (worth a complaint to the BBC as I said earlier, if someone feels strongly) but the main issue is the security of the players, Welsh, English, Irish. It's sad that sport should be a target for terrorism but it has happened before.

Anniebach Wed 01-Jun-16 13:00:43

It is sad that sport should be a target Jalima, who could forget 1972 murders in Munich , it was horrific

Anniebach Wed 01-Jun-16 13:04:37

Trisher, I am quite aware of what you said, you have repeated it several times. Nothing to do with voting , I pay my licence fee as do you , that's it

Anniebach Wed 01-Jun-16 13:07:58

Oh yes trisha, I am sure - the English team and the other home countries saved much time as apposed to the home country teams or England, Wales and Ireland teams

FarNorth Wed 01-Jun-16 20:54:11

How about the Scotland team? {waving my little saltire}

durhamjen Wed 01-Jun-16 21:02:54

They are not in it, FarNorth, so do not need extra protection.

The Welsh team song on the One Show tomorrow, Annie.

FarNorth Wed 01-Jun-16 21:07:00

grin shows how much I know about football, or rugby, or whatever it is.