The EU - we are on the home straight folks!

Yes, I agree with that trish.

The thing I mentioned about not being able to deport dangerous people, is the one thing that worries me about staying in. Apart from that, I am definitely in the Remain camp.

Jingle I think I am right in saying that the UK and France have produced our own terrorists and that the vast majority of those involved in bomb attacks here and there were born in the country where the crimes were committed.
And yes of course there is a lot of cross border co-operation in fighting crime.
Yes Trisher I know of one young woman who is studying an Environmental science degree in Sweden (where it is free to her as it is to Swedish students) and my niece is contemplating an art conservation Master's in Amsterdam. Again no fees - unlike here where EU students have to pay high fees for Master's courses.

Interesting Video from Bojo on Turkey joining

youtu.be/SB4L53lj_7E

Ooops wrong link (remember Daniel Waples and the Hang- this is his gig in Bangalore yesterday, worth a watch and listen too)

Here is the one:

www.facebook.com/EvolvePolitics/videos/1699732976945309/

Is it just me (and very many of my friends) who have much closer links with NZ and Australia, with DC, cousins, friends' DC travelling and living in those countries? And in Canada, America, South America?
We can't be that unusual. I only know a couple of relatives who have strong links to the EU.

I have family in Belgium and Germany, I will still vote out.

Wow, granjura, I wonder when Boris last watched that.

I have strong links to the EU. My grandson is Danish as is his mother. My daughter in law is Spanish. I have cousins in Australia, Canada and New Zealand. I have family links to the US.

I do not want to say to any of them that their background is less important than mine. That's what leaving the EU would mean to me.

I think that was what forging ever closer links with the EU meant to us - that it was more important than links with Australia and Canada, perhaps that family was of less importance than our closer neighbours.
A moot point
but probably not one to argue about, because it is all down to personal experience.

When people in Australia, New Zealand and Canada learn geography, are they not told that the UK is part of Europe?
Why would they get upset at us being part of the EU when we are physically part of Europe? They are part of different continents.

We are not physically part of Europe, we are an island.

We had that discussion further up one of the threads Harri - the British Isles is geographically on the European Continental shelf and was once joined to Europe - it is part of the continent of Europe. If not part of Europe which continent does it belong to?

But we were all joined together once (Gondwana)
I don't follow the argument (and: ^but probably not one to argue about, because it is all down to personal experience.^)

I would think they have learned about geography as they are not all of British origin.
and we did have strong trade links with them until we forged stronger trade links with the EU and they had to find new markets (very successfully).

Carried on logically, then, Russia is also joined, as is China, India, the Middle East - where is the geographical break?

There is no geographical separation between Europe and Asia.

According to the definition of a continent in the strict sense, an island cannot be part of any continent, but by convention and in practice most major islands are associated with a continent.

Michael Gove declares that people have "had enough of experts".
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/10/michael-goves-guide-to-britains-greatest-enemy-the-experts/

Europe is more than a geographical term. It has a shared, intertwined political, cultural, linguistic and religious history.

Europe is more than a geographical term. It has a shared, intertwined political, cultural, linguistic and religious history
And so does Russia.

The English language has taken more from all other European languages than have other countries.

He would say that being as he's an expert in nothing...[Gove that is; just been speaking to members of a local Conservative party who say he and Boris are idiots]...

I don't understand what you're implying. I know it has, although modern French and German are catching up with loan words. Nearly all European languages are descended from Indo-European.

PS. Russia (at least the western part) IS part of Europe.

Did you read the link Tegan? It is not what you think....

Ashamed to say I haven't yet..have only just got in...[proudly wearing my badge though].

In 2000, Gove wrote an article for the Centre of Policy Studies claiming that the Northern Ireland peace process would never work. He claimed that the UK would have to pay too high a price for appeasement. His answer was to allow the IRA to continue their activities but increase the strength of the RUC and army. He maintained then that the experts had got it wrong. ;-(

www.cps.org.uk/files/reports/original/111220142628-thepriceofpeace2000MichaelGove.pdf

He also argued against the principle of equality, against encouraging more ethnic minority police officers and against the European Convention on Human Rights (which the British had a major hand in writing after the aftermath of WW2).

Michael Gove thinks that HE is the only expert at anything!

25% of Russia is European. 75% is Asian. Both Europe and Asia are separate continents and always have been.
There is a website I go on with my grandson called Topmarks, with an Oxfam programme called Mapping the World. It's very interesting to look at the maps and see us as others see us, not always the centre of the world.

Does anyone know if people in Australia or New Zealand are taught that the UK is part of Europe in their geography lessons? Their maps tend to be centred on the Pacific Ocean rather than the Atlantic.

Mamie, that's a scary picture of Gove.
I do hope all Telegraph readers read to the bottom of it.

I wonder if he would offer his services as a brain surgeon or an opera singer or an artist or one of the Olympic team? Seeing as experts are such rubbish in his opinion.
He seems a very silly little man to me.

Did anybody watch the Last Leg last night, with Jeremy Corbyn?
Really funny, and he got across some good points.