A thread for those who are voting OUT of the EU to make it fair

niggly GNHQ made it very clear that you could not exclude people from a political thread - or any other thread for that matter. This could not be "hijacked" as it could not be owned.

Inevitably this thread has been hijacked and all the 'out' birds have flown, no safe haven to be found!! I think the Guardian is pretty biased too!! Just saying!!

Has anyone else noticed how those politicians on the other side of the channel are keeping their heads down? None of them have been Brit bashing for some weeks. Well, not in UK newspapers anyway.

You are right, Dj the Telegraph is biased but its readers tend to have a higher level of education than the readers of the downmarket tory tabloids who are more easily swayed by the Leave propoganda.

And of course, the Telegraph is not biased either, varian.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/05/you-must-vote-to-leave-the-eu-or-wake-up-with-the-worst-hangover/

I imagine he is talking to the converted anyway.

You have been misinformed, practical, according to the Telegraph survey the Express is the most bigoted of all the papers - more so even than the Sun and the Daily Mail.

The Telegraph itself of course is owned by Tory proprietor campaigning for Leave but the survey they produced showed that the Express was, of all the Tory papers, most successful at indoctrinating its readers.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/03/21/eu-referendum-who-in-britain-wants-to-leave-and-who-wants-to-rem/

It is democracy in a Federal State like the USA, or Switzerland- or in a group of allied countries, like the EU, surely.

Must say many of us have struggled to cope with a democratic system with a voting system that totally ignores the majority of people, and ensures the majority of the votes go straight into the bin, like the UK First Past the Post System (espcially when the other Chamber is totally un-elected).

Express not bigoted

@thatbags

They can, if they're prepared to pay the import tariffs. Have you ever tried to send a Christmas present to somewhere like Canada? Sometimes the import tariff can be more than the value of the gift.

If you're a small, niche business, whose customers are prepared to pay the tariffs, there's not really a problem. However, if you're a large manufacturer, whose business is critical to a country's economy, it's not a very sensible way to go about things.

Car manufacturer is a good example. The UK industry is recovering and is one of our biggest exports, but only because we are able to compete against EU manufacturers. If the EU slapped a tariff on British made cars, it wouldn't be long before Nissan and other manufacturers decided it was too expensive and too much hassle. At the moment a car manufactured in the UK is made up of components from all over the EU. Can you imagine what it would be like trying to work out which part was manufactured in Spain, Germany, Poland, the UK or whatever? Nissan can also switch production from Spain to the UK (and vice versa) at the touch of a button if one factory is working to capacity. Customers are guaranteed the same price wherever the car is produced, but it would be more complicated and less efficient for Nissan if didn't have the capacity to switch.

Tariffs can be used to control imports and exports, which ultimately have an effect on jobs, etc. The UK blocked an attempt by the EU to impose tariffs on Chinese steel, because it wanted to continue importing cheap steel, but at the cost of thousands of UK jobs.

Surely you remember all the stuff from your history lessons about the Corn Laws in the 1830s. ;-)

Not so bigoted? Owned by Richard Desmond who gave £1.3 million to UKIP.
No bias at all, then.

Yes, daphne. The same people can come into the UK, but without the EAW and Europol it will take for ever to send them back where they came from. So really, practical, you should want to stay in.

do you go to Brussels for your information?
as for the far right Nazi site I went on google with a question and that was a site that came up I didn't what it was but you obviously do is it one you refer to.
Yes I read the express it's not so bigoted as some of the other papers

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Obione what you are really saying if that you, personally, and the UK as a wider body want to have overall say in running the EU and exclude all the other nations and their populations.

There are 73 British MEPs that are voted for by the British.
There are 751 MEPs in total.
So 678 MEPs we have no say over whatsoever. We do not get to choose them whatsoever.

Is that democracy?"

Please tell me how much say you have over the 649 MPs you do not get to vote for. It is annoying if other constituencies return MPs with views you do not agree with but that is democracy.

I always thought a large swathe of the British still had the arrogance of Empire and you had just justified that thought

A ROMANIAN thug who was allowed into Britain with a criminal record battered a pensioner into a coma just one month after being released from prison.
safer in Europe huh then he battered a woman and stole her bag

manoeuvre

Is it just a tax gathering maneouvre?

Could someone explain the actual bottom line need for trading agreements? Why can't businesses/merchants, etc sort out trading by themselves? Why do governments or government blocs like the EU need to be involved? Genuinely puzzled about why people in one place can't arrange deals with people in another place without any interference help from their respective governments.

There are 73 British MEPs that are voted for by the British.
There are 751 MEPs in total.

So 678 MEPs we have no say over whatsoever. We do not get to choose them whatsoever.

Is that democracy?

Here's another club analogy that someone posted on Twitter.
Imagine you are in a night club. It's not perfect but you're having an OK time. But you decide to leave the club and see what else is happening. Oops, there is nowhere else open at this hour, the bouncers won't let you back in, and you're standing at the bus stop in the rain.
If we left it is not as if there is another huge, rich trading block that would welcome us with open arms is it? There's even a rumour that Canada might be applying to join the EU club as they have recently negotiated for 8 years to finally reach a trading agreement with the EU.

oooo thatbags we will all be sent to the naughty step
it must be the thread title.

Djen says 'Roses, why do you never read or remember anything important?'
Possibly because what you regard as important, I don't.Just a thought.

And here's one (a tweet supportive of Brexit) from @ScienceBritain: twitter.com/sciencebritain/status/739763696042381313

taken from report from EU Directorate General for Research and Innovation.

sunseeker Ok to carry on your club analogy. If you leave a club refuse to pay its fees, or to contribute financially in any way or to obey any of its regulations would you then expect that club to allow you to drop in when you please, use its facilities and its membership list to pursue your own ends? Because that is what Brexit appears to think will happen if we leave the EU.
practical Try www.secretlinenstore.com/bedding/cotton-bedding-sets?gclid=CKv9quOyk80CFasV0wodZccLew
Egyptian cotton bedding, made in Portugal. But maybe do it before 23rd in case we Brexit?

That was me "doing a good shrug" à la Bags.

Been seeing a good few tweets pointing out biased reporting (it's in the vocabulary used). e.g. "Remain stories reported as press release. Intro to Leave stories is "Brexit criticised for"