A thread for those who are voting OUT of the EU to make it fair

Alan Sked is also saying that Cameron's zeal for the EU is like a caliphate.
I am waiting for practical to pretend to quote that, too.
Nothing like wanting to scare the voters.

Did you see tonight's EU referendum debate on ITV?

It was refreshing to see that most of the panelists were women but I thought that three Tories, two Labour and one SNP was not a good representation of the electorate. The debate would have been better if they had added a UKIP and a LibDem speaker.

Maybe they were the only ones who would agree to go on. Two Tories and a Labour for out. Perhaps no other party wanted to go on with Boris.

Boris was still saying £350 million a week. He must know that nobody believes it now.

But the trouble is that they do! It's plastered all over the battlebus: We send the EU £350 million a week. Let's fund our NHS instead." That's a very clever and slick advertising slogan. It's a lie, but it's in print in big letters and people believe it. There's no small print, as there would have to be if this were for an insurance policy or food supplement. 'Our NHS' - our = we're on your side and the use of the NHS logo is a cosy and positive one to many.

Why then does the REMAIN campaigne not come up with any figure then?

I was not impressed with the level of debate from Angela Eagle in particular, she was shril, kept pointing her finger, made it a personal attack on Boris and lost the thread of what she was saying on several occasions. Nor was the Conservative REMAIN woman who kelt repeating 'there's no consensus' whatever the topic much better.

Impressive was the Labour woman in the LEAVE camp. Best speaker I've seen so far in this referendum debate.

Bad mistake to wheel out Blair too. Dodgy ex-PMs, especially those about to be exposed for what he is by Chilcott, ought to be left in hibernation. After his very suspect speech Northern Ireland will be more strongly OUT than ever.

It does, Anya. It's just that the Brexit campaign doesn't read it.
Blair wasn't on the debate tonight. If he was, I missed him.

I was not impressed with each of the brexit lot parroting again and again the dishonest and nonsensical slogan "we've got to take back control"

The more they parrot this nonsense the more people will see through them

fullfact.org/europe/ask-full-fact-our-eu-membership-fee-and-economy/

I am sure you will not read it, Anya, but others might.

I agree about the debate Anya La Sturgeon was as usual, Angela Eagle frankly awful, and Amber Rudd although the better speaker, looked and sounded angry all the time and made personal remarks.
For Leave Andrea Leadman was an excellent speaker and Gisela Stewart ( Labour MP) is always really impressive.Boris is Boris, but he kept calm and didn't rise to the personal attacks.

Boris kept calm is the best one could say about him. He talked rubbish all the same.

He isn't Cameron when it comes to polished performances, true enough, but that doesn't matter too much when the two women speaking for Leave did a marvellous job.I was pleased to see so many women speaking at the debate.

Were you watching the same programme roses?

I thought all three Remainers spoje well, Of the Leavers, only Gisela was a competent speaker. Boris was just doing his usual Boris act and Andrea Keadman was truly apalling

@ Anya

What figures do you want? Dominic Cummings was taken apart on the figure by the Commons Treasury Committee and had no satisfactory defence. He was also challenged on how the alleged money could be spent and admitted it couldn't fund everything that was being promised, especially not the NHS.

Unfortunately, watching a dry committee meeting on YouTube or even reading the transcript is no competition for a slick marketing slogan.

This is interesting reading.

www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2016/06/09/the-conspiracy-theories-pushed-by-the-brexit-campaign

Sarah Wollaston was a plant. it says. She never really believed in Brexit from the start.

Oooh! They do like their conspiracy theories.

Funny, that was the first thing that came to my mind, as she has a record of supporting more integration with Europe

So let's have those 'correct' figures. All I heard last night was Eagle and Rudd denying them, hysterically in Eagle's case.

I never heard one of them, and remember this was a debate on national TV with the best opportunity ever for putting the record straight, even suggest an alternative amount, which was VERY ODD.

There can only be one reason that REMAIN are not putting forward what they believe is the current amount - because they do not know it.

Well varian we all have our own views, but Andrea Leadsom was really good in my view, but Angela Eagle was appalling.She lost the plot a couple of times, and substitued being personal and finger jabbing for well thought out comments.Amber Rudd,although a good speaker came across as an outraged headmistress.La Sturgeoon has her own agenda as always.

If Gisela Stewart were the Leader instead of Corbyn I would vote Labour at the next GE.

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Trying to stir again GG ? sure looks like it.

I award you the wooden spoon.

Martyn Lewis (Moneysavingexpert.com) was on This Week last night and said he believe he was 55% out but the risk economically was too great for him personally so he will vote in.

His article is here and for once he does not say "this is true because I want you to vote this way".

My mailbag’s been drowning with questions and concerns. The biggest being: “Please just tell us the facts, what’ll happen if we leave?” I’m sorry, but the most important thing to understand is: there are no facts about what happens next.

Anyone who tells you they KNOW what’ll happen if we leave the EU is a liar.

He does go on to show the good, the bad and the ugly about the EU and talk about the risks of going either way. For himself, he has to judge the economic risk and he has, with some regret from how I read it, come out for remain.

If he is that close, he may change his mind on the day. He may go by his gut feeling and instinct.