EU - I'm in a quandary

I have just checked up on exporting to Brazil from the EU.

madb.europa.eu/madb/indexPubli.htm

It looks to me like the problem is that Brazil has the highest number of restrictions for imports from any country. The difficulty appears to be at Brazil's end, not the EUs.
We export more to Brazil than we import from them.

If we did trade deals quickly without thinking through all the consequences, we would have TTIP, companies like Monsanto would be able to sue our government, as would any private health company that wanted to take over parts of the NHS to increase their profits.
I prefer slow and careful.

Stand by your bed DJ

I think you have a good point.

Thank you, POGS.

I haven't read up on the ins and outs of deals with Brazil but I do know a Brazilian who was looking to export directly from the manufacturer to UK and he could not do - the problems were from the Brazil end.

This is a good article about Greece and why 75% of the population still want to remain in the EU.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/13/greece-problems-with-eu-would-never-leave

I watched a local programme last night with a panel and audience equally divided over Remain or Exit.

Is is just me and AIBU to feel annoyed at the number of 'entertainers' (I hesitate to say celebrities or 'stars') who wish to let us know their views on the EU - in fact ram them down our throats?
The other week we had Eddie Izzard on QT (fine chap running all those marathons) but he shouted over the top of everyone else, we scarcely heard a full point from the woman on the panel and in the end the audience told him to 'shut up' as David Dimbleby didn't seem to want to take charge.
Last night, on our local programme, we had some musician (Billy Bragg?) who loudly proclaimed his views (Remain apparently) over the top of everyone else, interrupting and not letting anyone make their full point, even people in the audience. At the end he then said he was 'In, Out, Shake it all About'!
And as for Emma Thompson and her ilk - do I care two hoots what she thinks? No, I do not. I am interested in what politicians, business people, economists etc have to say but as for all these celebrities - their opinion is of no use or value to me at all - why do they think we 'plebs' would be interested?
They have one vote and so do I.

Grumble over.

ps I am veering towards Remain but I must say that Jacob Rees-Mogg (on our local programme last night) could easily persuade me to vote otherwise.

Why is he not in charge of Brexit instead of Boris?

We had two politicians and two journalists. They tended to be shouted down a lot by three or four of the audience, who probably should have been asked/told to shut up or leave.

We also had Christine Hamilton

I absolutely agree with Jalima. I thought Eddie Izzard was ridiculous. I am voting in...but if I was still wavering he would have pushed me to brexit. And all other so called celebrities should realise that if they think we all want to hear them spouting off they are very much mistaken.

The people I really want to hear are business people, especially people with smaller businesses, as I don't know the ins and outs of trading within the EU or the implications if we leave. That's why I found the Sikh man so interesting the other night.

Jacob is too posh, Jalima. Christine Hamilton? What was she on for? You get all the good ones!

This is good from Gordon Brown.

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Too posh?!! Think of the uproar if someone was pronounced too common?! shouldn't make any difference, but of course it does! Agree about celebs though, who cares what the think, telling the rest of us what to do from their gilded cages!! I saw that Jeremy Irons, who I admire as an actor, reprimanding people for being too wealthy!! Bearing in mind he has several homes and much wealth, what a cheek to lecture other people!! I can't bear Eddie Izzard on a good day, and had ceased watching QT months ago, it's just turned into a free for all and very unedifying. BBC being trendy I daresay!!

I agree niggly and think it high time Dimbledy retired and somebody who can actually take charge with skill and charm installed.

Jacob Rees Mogg gets the piss taken out of him for being posh. He doesn't object, so I don't see why you should.

I was just pointing out that taking the piss as you put it, is fine when it's somebody considered posh on the receiving end of sneers and jeers for the way they talk or conduct themselves. But try that attitude and sneer and jeer at a person that someone thinks common with an accent to match, imagine the outrage. Quite right too, and should be the same both sides round. I expect Jacob Rees Mogg does go along with it in order to prevent more ridicule from ignorant people.

You need to lighten up, niggly, and watch him on HIGNFY.
It's all very amicable, he doesn't appear to take offence, he gets his point across.

I suppose you've never criticised Corbyn for being not the right sort for being PM because of how he talks or looks, have you? You haven't criticised Ed Miliband for the way he talks and looks?
Actually having gone to a private school and being the only one to have parents who did not have a car and who could not afford the diction lessons, or even the right school uniform, I have been on the receiving end of it. Perhaps I'm just getting my own back.

Just wanted to remind people who are still uncertain, or who just want a reasoned account, that Futurelearn.com's course 'Towards Brexit - the UK Referendum' started today. So far everything presented in a non-biased way. Free to register for and you can do it in your own time.

Autocorrect - should read Futurelearn's course

'perhaps I'm getting my own back'. Says it all really.

I think whitewave is doing that course as well, Devorgilla.

Christine Hamilton? What was she on for?
Well, she wasn't on for Remain

I don't think it's fair to say that Jacob is too posh, after all, we don't say that (eg) Dennis Skinner is 'too rough' do we?

People can't help their background and he seems like a good person and a good, caring MP.

nigglynellie Mon 13-Jun-16 19:27:07
That's quite true, nigglynellie

He probably takes it in good part because he is the better person; if someone with a strong northern accent was on and had the mickey taken out of them for being common, all hell would break loose with the pc brigade.

Corbyn is quite posh too, though. Should he be criticised as not being the right sort of person for leader of the Labour Party because he is too posh?
Only if all this matters, and it should not.

Jacob and Dennis , now there's a couple of 'Outers' who I would like to see share a platform.