Not many countries in the EU are high up on the wealthy list

obieone I'm not sure of your point?

Some people are scared to come out of the EU for economic reasons. They dont need to be scared.
Other countries manage perfectly well.

And does a list of a country's rank regarding its wealth prove that point?

The UK cannot be compared with Norway and Switzerland, both of which have a much smaller population and totally different economies. Both are within the Schengen Area. Approximately 25% of the Swiss population was born outside Switzerland. Norway has three times the number of EU immigrants per head as the UK.

Maybe thet's the answer - MORE immigration!!

I believe North Korea manages perfectly well outside the EU

thet's = that's (typo)

I thought that some of you would almost debate that black is white and vice versa, now I know you do.

Firstly, it depends which 'wealth' you want to measure. Neither gross GDP nor GDP per capita is a satisfactory measure of a country's spending power, without taking other factors, such as equality and cost of living, into account.

Nobody's arguing that black is white, but anybody with an ounce of economic knowledge knows that GDP is a poor measure of prosperity and production.

Further reading:

www.economist.com/news/briefing/21697845-gross-domestic-product-gdp-increasingly-poor-measure-prosperity-it-not-even

Considering just about every link does it by GDP I will stick with that thanks.

And I said almost debate that black is white.

This thread is some thread already.

It is sad. There is another thread about the referendum where double speak is happening also.
No need for it, and it shouldn't happen.

I remember being at school and asked "does the end justify the means"?
The answer is a resounding no.

For your own sakes, don't do it.

Obieone I agree there are plenty of opportunities outside the Euro zone for trade, migration and immigration.
Tunnel vision is not a good thing
I have asked before if geographically we were closer to the USA would the 'stay in voters ' want to be one of the states of America??
I know I would not want to be, even though we share a 'similar language'.
Our way of life and laws are different.

The richest countries aren't necessarily be the best ones to live in.

@obieone

You stick with GDP as a reliable measure if you want, but serious economists don't.

It doesn't even prove anything as far as EU countries are concerned. The whole point was that small(ish) countries should come together to face off the might of the US (and now China, Japan and India). Using your own measure, the EU is, by GDP, the wealthiest trading bloc in the world.

jingl, I know that.
I startet this thread beacuse there are many misleading posts being bandied about about how the EU is a great economic place, and how it is hugely scary to leave.

I am pointing out that the number of wealthy countries, and their place in wealth tables, is not as good as some left wing posters would have us all believe.

But it IS the biggest trading bloc in the world!

wealthy countries in the EU

So it may be daphnedill, but a lot of other countries out are doing better

Yes, because they have a bigger population, are sitting on an oil lake or are the home to dodgy banking outfits.

So what? The EU is made up of mainly small countries, who've realised that they are better together. Collectively, they are the biggest trading bloc in the world. Who knows how they would have done, if they'd all gone their separate ways?

I think it's time the outers looked at population and land mass. We are the most overcrowded in the eu

dd I couldn't answer on the other thread because there is a 1000 posts.
your posts
Would you care to give your conspiracy theory source for that?

PS. I suppose the Daily Mail (September 2015) is an improvement on the Express
No I wouldn't like to give my source you are so clever at telling me where to look so you find it.
As for the papers I read and have had you knocking it all along and I have never insulted the papers you read which I think are rubbish so enough. I read the papers that support OUT.

I can't be bothered, but it IS good practice when you copy and paste verbatim to give a source. Otherwise, you might as well just give a link and people can decide for themselves the reliability of the source.

@ practical

No, the UK isn't the most densely populated EU country.

So you do not even bother looking at any information to balance that view, then, practical? Such a shame.

I have seen lists that say Italy Spain France would need to take 1000's more to have as many per square mile as we have
No I don't look at a balance because I wouldn't believe it after some things I've read besides I am voting out anyway so it would be wasting my time

Daft saying that. Spain's density is only a third of ours, but where would you suggest they all go? Into the mountains?

@practical

It's no surprise that you're voting 'out', but why come up with untrue assertions about the UK being the most densely populated in Europe? It isn't. Moreover, as dj mentioned, some parts of Europe are uninhabitable.