The one indisputable FACT in this referendum debate

I will repeat what I have said on the other thread.

In 1973 the UK joined the Common Market which is what the single market was called at the time.

The single market has 4 pillars. Free movement of goods, capital, people and later services.

The U.K. became part of this single market. It had tried to join this single market without success over a number of years. There has never been any question of this free movement being out of control - it is simply the way the single market is deemed to work.

To suggest otherwise is emotive and incorrect.

Now if we want to look at the way immigration affects various communities, that is a different issue and one I would suggest would be much more productive to those affected by immigration - largely the working class. However, I would argue that culturally we have a lot more in common than some would otherwise argue.

jalima and kittylester, I agree wholeheartedly with what you have posted. Controlled immigration is a good thing. We must not forget those from the Commonwealth and beyond who have a right to lead their lives here.

One indisputable fact is that lots of people are telling untruths. The proponents for both sides cannot both be right in their facts.

A report from the think-tank Migration Watch has predicted that immigration will see Britain’s population rise to 77 million by 2035 and then to 80 million in 2039.

In 2000 the UK population was under 50 million - so the nation would see a 54 percent increase in just 35 years.

I think you are right Anya. I speak as one who will vote to remain, after careful consideration of both sides. I am concerned about inward migration, not because I dont wish to have people from other countries of the EU living and working here, but because I think that these very same people are being used as the scapegoat for the reduced investment in schools, public services, NHS etc. The queues in A & E departments, the weeks wait to see a GP are not solely due to new people in the area. If I open my kitchen doors and invite all neighbours in to eat and drink I cannot blame them if I have not bought enough.

It would appear that the army chiefs are very concerned about losing control of our army when the EU forms it's own army. Apparently the small print also has reference to reinstating the death penalty in times of war!
Clearly the status quo will never remain the same so it is all to be taken on trust! Very concerning as not one of those in power has demonstrated trustworthiness and since it is not a democracy we will not even be consulted.
For our DC and DGCs sake we need to take back control of our own country and our own destiny as far as we possibly can.

I'm still undecided so I'll talk to you Anya.

And, I agree. immigration is good - having no control over it is bad.

I have answered anya on the other thread.

I have said before and, at the risk of becoming boring, it is the deportation of Commonwealth citizens that annoys me and the difficulties they face if they marry British citizens.
We have made new friendships and alliances with our neighbours (yes, it is a good thing) but abandoned our family in the process.

Has someone pmd you Anya, but will not stick their head above the parapet and post?

What I would like to know is just how many immigrants were from the EU and how many were from outside the EU in the last 12 months.

Just been told by one of the remainers that no one wants to talk to me about this ...wonder why not