Labour MP Jo Cox shot in Birstall

Tegan....I have not considered who you may vote for and apologise if I inferred that in my response.I don,t know who most of my family and friends vote for,and would never think to ask them.I consider it to be a private matter for the individual unless they choose to divulge it.

That's ok .

It has been quite astonishing and concerning to see so many people making assumptions about political affiliation if you are in remain camp!

.I don,t know who most of my family and friends vote for,and would never think to ask them
I wouldn't normally ask friends and family, but this is not really party political and everyone seems to be volunteering their views amongst my friends and family.

If not, I have asked! And said 'if you don't want to tell me, please don't, fair enough'. However, I am very interested in their reasoning.

Did anyone else watch The Last Leg on Friday?
I was surprised it was on considering how irreverent it usually is, and I was ready to switch off.
However, it was excellent. They were angry but careful not to offend. At the end, they went by arrangement to Birstall Church where the community choir sang The Rose.

I am staunchly pro-Europe (94% on that quiz) and I have also always (until the last election) been a Liberal then LibDem voter. The LibDems were always the most Europhile of the main political parties and if they hadn't disappeared into oblivion, I'm sure they would have been more prominent in the Remain debate. As it is, I'll have to vote the same way as Cameron and Osborne, but I see the referendum as more important than party politics anyway.

I understand they were told at least a couple of days before Jen. The crossing is a couple of hours so they would not arrive in Calais till 7pm French time and would need to be back at the port checked in by 22-00. and 200 cars would maybe take longer .

Dd the libdems have been verybactive in the Remain campaign. It just doesn't get reported.

The media is not interested in a party which believes in co operation rather than confrontation.

Yes, I know, Welshwife. I've got the email in front of me, with times on for every step of the journey. Left Dover 13.55. French times, the ferry arrived in Calais at 16.00
Sent on Thursday. Not much notice for people who have already paid for their tickets, as I said.
Anyway, www.thepeoplesassembly.org.uk are not known for doing as they are told. There was even a plan for those who were not allowed on the ferry. They went in convoy back to London to the French embassy. They plan everything.

I've just heard that Katy Hopkins has said that Jo's death should not be politicized. Isn't this a bit hypocritical? Shouldn't she really have kept her mouth shut? I'm beginning to think we need to say what Jo stood for and that things are becoming polarized again.

The woman just says things for effect doesn't she. Not a subject matter to do that with I'm afraid. Tasteless and insensitive.

Farage has said there would have been no problem with UKIP's poster of refugees if Jo Cox hadn't died

Anniebach that is disgusting. So the "Leave" campaign are using her death. Completely unacceptable.

And a UKIP member on tv yesterday, when questioned about the poster kept repeating that it was 'strong'; no word of apology of any kind.By the way, does anyone know who the people in the poster actually were? Were they immigrants or refugees?

They were refugees Tegan. It was said where and when it was taken. None of them will arrive in the UK unless we allow them in. They have no EU status or citizenship, nor will have for at least 8 years. They have no freedom of movement nor will have for 8 years. They have to prove good citizenship and be able for example speak their residing country's language.

Brexits campaign has been utterly misleading.
Farage is xenophobic and racist.

I read it was refugees getting away from Syria.

I feel that a lot of people have got immigrants and refugees mixed up in their mindset and, when they think of immigrants they have a vision of multitudes of people people queuing to enter the country [I think I'm guilty of that myself to be perfectly honest].If leave win what will happen in Calais? And what will happen in Ireland with regards to borders?

No one honestly knows at this point. I guess it will be all part of the package we eventually negotiate with the EU. However Article 50 indicates that all the power lies with Brussels, so not particularly optimistic.

I've just received a pamphlet from leave that is full of false statistics [£350 million on the front page for example, saying 'could' be spent on the NHS...note the word 'could'].I think a lot hinges on the talk about Turkey joining the EU. If they do join in the near future I will hold up my hands and admit that I was wrong to believe the Remain camp.If they don't I hope people will realise that it was fabricated by the leave campaign.

There's a sole white man in the front, whose face has been covered by the strapline. Clever.

However, Baroness Warsi has said that she will now vote to stay because of it, so it has had some use, although the Brexiteers say they did not know she was for leaving.

For those on the left who are still not sure, this article is interesting.
theconversation.com/left-wingers-for-brexit-need-to-wake-up-to-what-theyre-about-to-do-61259

I particularly like the link to Schroedinger's immigrant.

Granny2016 in reply to your post Sat 23:42. Why I have just joined the Labour Party? Okay. I became very disillusioned after Blair took us into Iraq with the ongoing consequences which we are still experiencing. However since this government came to power I have seen public services demolished, health & social services diminish and the vulnerable in society scapegoated for an austerity not of their making. I believe this set the scene for the EU debate which has caused further polarisation and vitriol, even hate to surface in society. I know no political party is perfect, far from it, but I think the LP still stands for the values I believe in, fairness and social inclusion, as did Jo Cox, brutally killed last week. This seriously concentrated my mind and I joined the LP. As in the EU debate, isn't it better to work for change inside an organisation, than criticise from the outside?

No the 'official' Leave Campaign are not using her death. However some people from both sides have/are doing so.

Again as posts are duplicating/triplicating I am doing the same .

I like this section from the Spectator.

Finally there is the question of the referendum. From what we have already seen, those in favour of ‘Remain’ will find it impossible not to attempt to make political capital from this brutal murder in a campaign that the polls previously showed them losing. Is it too much to ask for some decency? Perhaps. About 50% of the population have one view of our membership of the EU, and about 50% have another view. I can already see the temptation of some ‘Remainers’. They may keep it subtle. They may insist that a vote for ‘Remain’ is a vote for ‘the future’ and ‘Leave’ a vote for ‘the past’. Or they may try to say that a vote to stay in the EU is a vote against ‘hatred’ and for ‘hope’ or the politics of ‘unity’ over those of ‘division’. If they do then they should be aware that they are using the actions of a madman, extremist or terrorist (or all three) as a means to further their own political goals. They would be doing precisely what we try so hard, unanimously and generally successfully to stop Islamist gunmen from being able to do.

Such a move would bring about the triumph of the assassin’s veto in our society – something which could not only have appalling short-term consequences, but bloody long-term ones as well. I trust that those campaigning for ‘Remain’ recognise that a victory achieved on those terms would be the sourest and most divisive victory of all.

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/cant-show-decency-jo-coxs-death/

I will repeat my question. How will you prove the argument assuming it is correct which it is not.

The article from the spectator - does Boris still write for it, his ex mistress does- anyway the article says 'they may' not 'they have'

Again I repeat that I am quite disgusted that you like that.
On the other thread it came across that those were your words.

You can't have it both ways. If this man who killed Jo Cox was an assassin, which is what Douglas Murray implies, then he could not have been mentally unstable. He did it deliberately.