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Labour MP Jo Cox shot in Birstall

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POGS Thu 16-Jun-16 14:12:42

I am sorry to be watching this ' unravelling' news report .

I hope she will be OK. Her poor family.

It is being reported that 2 people have been shot and 2 stabbings but no police confirmation as yet. The area is on lock down at the moment and there is a Primary School in the vicinity .

I hope the gunman is caught soon.

daphnedill Tue 21-Jun-16 00:35:19

Tommy Mair appeared in court under the 'terrorism protocol'. Does anybody know what the terrorism protocol is? I've tried Googling it, but haven't come up with a satisfactory answer.

daphnedill Tue 21-Jun-16 00:36:59

Is it the same as this?

search.coe.int/cm/Pages/result_details.aspx?ObjectID=09000016805c351a

JessM Tue 21-Jun-16 07:09:17

Don't know Daphnedill it's extremely long. Probably means that the police have a way of handling certain prisoners when they go to and from court.
We used to live near a prison. There was a month once when a police helicopter flew over every morning and every night. It became apparent that there was a sensitive prisoner being taken to and from court every day with about 4 police cars, lights flashing escorting the van, morning and night. No coverage in press. It was only when the case was complete that we learned in the press it was a high-risk prisoner who had been involved in a crime in which a machine gun had been used. It must have cost a fortune!
So this will have been some kind of protocol for moving prisoners who were thought might have friends with assault rifles.

daphnedill Tue 21-Jun-16 07:20:08

I found out from another site what it's all about. Apparently there are different rules about the length of time the police can detain suspects, etc. The trial has to be heard by senior judges (hence the Old Bailey) and somebody said that police officers don't have to wear their numbers and ID (but not sure if that's true) and parts of the trial might be held in a closed court. Mair isn't being tried for terrorist offences, but I guess the alleged links to political organisations might have something to do with it and extra security is needed. There are also different sentencing rules for the murder of public servants going about their work. We'll just have to wait and see what he's already said and what comes out in the trial.

Jalima Tue 21-Jun-16 10:16:04

I cannot erase this from my thoughts. Frightens me that hate can be so strong

It is truly sickening and shocking.
She is never far from my thoughts

daphnedill Tue 21-Jun-16 11:03:04

The things that have been written (and are still being written) on some sites sicken me too. If the result of the referendum is really close, it sickens me that the people who have written such bile could be the ones who swayed the result.

PS. Sorry if that sounds like a plug to vote Remain. It wasn't intended to be, but it really disgusts me that that there are people who have come up with all sorts of conspiracy theories about Jo's murder and could influence the result.

Anniebach Tue 21-Jun-16 11:49:11

What draws those people to Brexit is what I would like to know, what are their hopes for a UK standing alone

daphnedill Tue 21-Jun-16 12:09:50

I DO understand some of BREXIT's arguments, but they've just got out of hand and irrational. I despair at the unrealistic promises which have been made. No, the EU isn't perfect and the UK is in a mess, but I really do wonder how anybody thinks that leaving would help.

PS. The public still doesn't know to what extent the murder was inspired by the referendum, but I can't imagine the rhetoric has helped.

Tegan Tue 21-Jun-16 12:57:43

The S.O. had a conversation this morning with a friend who lives in Scotland. He announced that he was voting 'leave'; the reason being that 'I hate Nicola Sturgeon and have to vote against everything she's in favour of'. confused.

daphnedill Tue 21-Jun-16 13:00:47

In that case, he should be voting IN. If we do leave, Sturgeon is likely to push for another referendum for Scotland to leave the UK. That doesn't make sense!

obieone Tue 21-Jun-16 13:03:15

It is working the other way too. People thinking about voting remain, because they dont want to agree with Gove and Boris etc.
But they do then seem happy to vote with David Cameron and Geirge Osborne.

Personally, to my mind, everyones' vote is their, and up to them what they do with it. Everyones' vote is of equal value.

And that is not something that can be said about a lot of things in life.

Alea Tue 21-Jun-16 13:08:37

Personally, to my mind, everyones' vote is their, and up to them what they do with it. Everyones' vote is of equal value

Well what a relief that despite the convoluted syntax you have got the hang of universal suffrage at last obieone.

Anniebach Tue 21-Jun-16 13:16:49

I am not supporting Remain in because of politicians but if I was to decide which way to vote which side would tempt me

Boris Johnson, Gove, Grayling, Dyson , Farage. - leave

Khan, Brown, J K Rowling, Alan Johnson, John Major, Ken Clarke - remain

whitewave Tue 21-Jun-16 13:19:43

Don't forget David Beckham grin

Granny2016 Tue 21-Jun-16 13:25:17

Anniebach....!,m afraid I think these types are drawn to Brexit because the campaign has focused too heavily on immigration.
There are many positive points it could have promoted ,so although an out voter myself.I think the campaign has focused on the negative and been an attraction to undesirables.

whitewave Tue 21-Jun-16 13:30:01

Just watched the news and what is likely to happen in the event of Brexit. That is scary.

I have absolutely no confident that any of the Brexiteers are up to it or even understand the task. It is worrying beyond belief.

Badenkate Tue 21-Jun-16 13:35:10

Just finished delivering leaflets (Labour for remain) and was chatting to someone who was a Tory voter but was also voting remain and he said that there was no way he was voting for something Boris Johnson supported.

Anniebach Tue 21-Jun-16 13:44:55

Sorry whitewave, I would rather forget the Beckhams , think he is rather sweet though ?

The two politicians who I have no hesitation in naming - this is very difficult for me - are

Major and Ken Clarke blush

Anniebach Tue 21-Jun-16 13:49:07

Granny2016 , then it follows Brexit considers immigration as the most important reason to leave , why else would they focus on it

obieone Tue 21-Jun-16 13:49:13

Anniebach, you forgot David Cameron and George Osborne are firmly in the remain camp.

Tegan Tue 21-Jun-16 14:01:09

Does anyone have a breakdown of where all of the MP's stand on this? I'm sure Kenneth Clarke said the other day that the majority of them wanted 'In' but I can't find the interview to rewatch it.

Tegan Tue 21-Jun-16 14:04:31

..Just found the figure at least 'There is a pro-Remain majority in the House of Commons of 454 MPs to 147'

Jalima Tue 21-Jun-16 14:37:37

Thank you for that Tegan, it is the first time I have seen that figure.

Gordon Brown - he who seemed so reluctant to sign the Lisbon Treaty at the time.

What a pity Tony Benn is no longer with us - I would like to have known his thoughts on the referendum.

Granny2016 Tue 21-Jun-16 15:12:07

Independence and sovereignty are uppermost with many out voters ,who would distance themselves from the immigration problems promoted by the self appointed Boris and Nigel.
Immigration,as many remain voters will agree,needs to be addressed,therefore putting immigration to the fore will attract votes.
The Conservatives have failed on immigration,not least with the ridiculous income required for someone wishing to migrate here from outside the EU.
However,no one can estimate how many will vote out because of immigration.
From speaking with other out voters, sovereignty and independence from a sinking EU seems to be uppermost.
The Spectator ,pro out,have a good article today worth reading.

I know from colleagues in Sweden that they have been concerned with the state of the EU,and have read today,that if the UK votes out,that they may also hold a referendum.
Of course,they really do have a serious problem with immigration.

My neighbour came here 10 years ago from Poland.
He works and pays taxes,owns his home,but never sought citizenship as it costs money which he could not spare.
He therefore can,t vote,but has said that were he able,he would vote out.

Come Friday,we will have the Conservative government in power whichever way the voting goes.I doubt Farage and Boris will stage a coup.

Granny2016 Tue 21-Jun-16 15:27:35

The breakdown of MP,s voting is very interesting.

Conservatives.......178 remain,137 leave.

Labour.................218 remain,10 leave.

Have labour been advised to tow the party line,or do they not want the bother of sorting things out if we leave the EU and they come to power at the next election ?