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Labour MP Jo Cox shot in Birstall

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POGS Thu 16-Jun-16 14:12:42

I am sorry to be watching this ' unravelling' news report .

I hope she will be OK. Her poor family.

It is being reported that 2 people have been shot and 2 stabbings but no police confirmation as yet. The area is on lock down at the moment and there is a Primary School in the vicinity .

I hope the gunman is caught soon.

temperance Tue 21-Jun-16 22:30:13

Wishing the poor girl well.

Granny2016 Tue 21-Jun-16 18:46:36

Sorry,that was a response for daphnedill.

Granny2016 Tue 21-Jun-16 18:45:24

For many years,the Swedish government,welcomed asylum seekers under the UN Convention on the treatment of asylum seekers.
They believed it was right to school,house and find work for any who arrived,and to allow in extended families.
It is a large country with a small population.
It is the recent flood of asylum seekers across Europe and through Germany which has caused numbers to get out of control.
Many are economic migrants and not asylum seekers.Sweden now has serious social problems and 55 no-go areas for police and locals.

They have now introduced border controls between themselves and other Schengen countries.
So yes,you are correct that most of their immigrants are non-EU,but it is the open borders policy of Schengen that have allowed the flow.

Anniebach Tue 21-Jun-16 17:41:06

True Tegan, and the banana obsession , wonder if he will clutch one in the debate tonight

Tegan Tue 21-Jun-16 17:15:23

At least none of them are voting to leave with a view to having Cameron's job...

Anniebach Tue 21-Jun-16 16:30:54

Could it not be they want to remain in because they want what is best for workers, for the young?

daphnedill Tue 21-Jun-16 16:09:10

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the Swedish immigration 'problem' was with non-EU immigrants. The Swedish government, like the British government, has control over how many non-EU immigrants it admits.

Granny2016 Tue 21-Jun-16 15:27:35

The breakdown of MP,s voting is very interesting.

Conservatives.......178 remain,137 leave.

Labour.................218 remain,10 leave.

Have labour been advised to tow the party line,or do they not want the bother of sorting things out if we leave the EU and they come to power at the next election ?

Granny2016 Tue 21-Jun-16 15:12:07

Independence and sovereignty are uppermost with many out voters ,who would distance themselves from the immigration problems promoted by the self appointed Boris and Nigel.
Immigration,as many remain voters will agree,needs to be addressed,therefore putting immigration to the fore will attract votes.
The Conservatives have failed on immigration,not least with the ridiculous income required for someone wishing to migrate here from outside the EU.
However,no one can estimate how many will vote out because of immigration.
From speaking with other out voters, sovereignty and independence from a sinking EU seems to be uppermost.
The Spectator ,pro out,have a good article today worth reading.

I know from colleagues in Sweden that they have been concerned with the state of the EU,and have read today,that if the UK votes out,that they may also hold a referendum.
Of course,they really do have a serious problem with immigration.

My neighbour came here 10 years ago from Poland.
He works and pays taxes,owns his home,but never sought citizenship as it costs money which he could not spare.
He therefore can,t vote,but has said that were he able,he would vote out.

Come Friday,we will have the Conservative government in power whichever way the voting goes.I doubt Farage and Boris will stage a coup.

Jalima Tue 21-Jun-16 14:37:37

Thank you for that Tegan, it is the first time I have seen that figure.

Gordon Brown - he who seemed so reluctant to sign the Lisbon Treaty at the time.

What a pity Tony Benn is no longer with us - I would like to have known his thoughts on the referendum.

Tegan Tue 21-Jun-16 14:04:31

..Just found the figure at least 'There is a pro-Remain majority in the House of Commons of 454 MPs to 147'

Tegan Tue 21-Jun-16 14:01:09

Does anyone have a breakdown of where all of the MP's stand on this? I'm sure Kenneth Clarke said the other day that the majority of them wanted 'In' but I can't find the interview to rewatch it.

obieone Tue 21-Jun-16 13:49:13

Anniebach, you forgot David Cameron and George Osborne are firmly in the remain camp.

Anniebach Tue 21-Jun-16 13:49:07

Granny2016 , then it follows Brexit considers immigration as the most important reason to leave , why else would they focus on it

Anniebach Tue 21-Jun-16 13:44:55

Sorry whitewave, I would rather forget the Beckhams , think he is rather sweet though ?

The two politicians who I have no hesitation in naming - this is very difficult for me - are

Major and Ken Clarke blush

Badenkate Tue 21-Jun-16 13:35:10

Just finished delivering leaflets (Labour for remain) and was chatting to someone who was a Tory voter but was also voting remain and he said that there was no way he was voting for something Boris Johnson supported.

whitewave Tue 21-Jun-16 13:30:01

Just watched the news and what is likely to happen in the event of Brexit. That is scary.

I have absolutely no confident that any of the Brexiteers are up to it or even understand the task. It is worrying beyond belief.

Granny2016 Tue 21-Jun-16 13:25:17

Anniebach....!,m afraid I think these types are drawn to Brexit because the campaign has focused too heavily on immigration.
There are many positive points it could have promoted ,so although an out voter myself.I think the campaign has focused on the negative and been an attraction to undesirables.

whitewave Tue 21-Jun-16 13:19:43

Don't forget David Beckham grin

Anniebach Tue 21-Jun-16 13:16:49

I am not supporting Remain in because of politicians but if I was to decide which way to vote which side would tempt me

Boris Johnson, Gove, Grayling, Dyson , Farage. - leave

Khan, Brown, J K Rowling, Alan Johnson, John Major, Ken Clarke - remain

Alea Tue 21-Jun-16 13:08:37

Personally, to my mind, everyones' vote is their, and up to them what they do with it. Everyones' vote is of equal value

Well what a relief that despite the convoluted syntax you have got the hang of universal suffrage at last obieone.

obieone Tue 21-Jun-16 13:03:15

It is working the other way too. People thinking about voting remain, because they dont want to agree with Gove and Boris etc.
But they do then seem happy to vote with David Cameron and Geirge Osborne.

Personally, to my mind, everyones' vote is their, and up to them what they do with it. Everyones' vote is of equal value.

And that is not something that can be said about a lot of things in life.

daphnedill Tue 21-Jun-16 13:00:47

In that case, he should be voting IN. If we do leave, Sturgeon is likely to push for another referendum for Scotland to leave the UK. That doesn't make sense!

Tegan Tue 21-Jun-16 12:57:43

The S.O. had a conversation this morning with a friend who lives in Scotland. He announced that he was voting 'leave'; the reason being that 'I hate Nicola Sturgeon and have to vote against everything she's in favour of'. confused.

daphnedill Tue 21-Jun-16 12:09:50

I DO understand some of BREXIT's arguments, but they've just got out of hand and irrational. I despair at the unrealistic promises which have been made. No, the EU isn't perfect and the UK is in a mess, but I really do wonder how anybody thinks that leaving would help.

PS. The public still doesn't know to what extent the murder was inspired by the referendum, but I can't imagine the rhetoric has helped.