I don't know very much at all about anything, but I found this article interesting

Someone who had held quite a high position at Boots said that a brexit win would cause problems with 'regulating medicine' [or something]. I need to ask the S.O. of the exact term he used.[I was talking to his colleague at the time so didn't hear exactly what he said]

Yes Practical your posts are getting more and more frantic. Maybe time to take a break and watch the footie? Or try reading #CatsagainstBrexit on twitter which is highly amusing.
Most sensible people know perfectly well that the EU is not an evil plot. In my opinion it has been a very useful control on some of the excesses that some businesses would resort to. It prevents them from exploiting workers, polluting the environment and lying on their food packaging. These protections are important. The politicians of the Leave campaign are keen to "lift the burden on business" by scrapping a lot of these protections. They are clearly and repeatedly on record as saying this is what they want to do. In other words they want more exploitation of workers, less legislation to protect us and the environment from pollution and lighter regulation of the food industry. This is not scaremongering - it is exactly what Johnson, Gove and Patel are preaching.

I would think the Financial Times would be Remain - money!

I think that's the two issues it will come down to, immigration and personal finance. I'm not sure anyone really cares much about anything else.

Oh yes! I like the i.

I copied and pasted the list from somewhere.

The Financial Times is Remain isn't it?

practical - if you want to learn more about the power of language to inspire good or bad reactions in others I recommend that you put down your copy of The Express, stop googling hate sites and spend an hour watching and listening to the tributes paid to the late Jo Cox by members of all parties in the House of Commons.

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b07jnfpt/house-of-commons-20062016rs

Good list of newspapers Jings but you missed out the one which according to recent media analysis has been the most neutral and even handed - The "i" which has produced an excellent series of articles setting out what each side says on a subject and the relevant facts.

hildajenniL That one article sums up the whole eu thinking for me.

If you don't know much about anything you will after you have viewed Professor Dougans lecture on the UK and constitutional law.

BTW I started off in the remain camp, but having read several articles by renowned economists, and business leaders about the perilous state of the eurozone, I've had second thoughts, and I'm now firmly for leaving.

This might be a bit off topic but it is certainly worth looking at. EU travelling circus

As it has throughout the campaign.

I've just read the Times and there are articles in support of both Leave and Remain

practical perhaps you could read some other newspapers besides the Express. Preferably some in the other camp, just to get a balanced view. Here is the list.

The Sun - Leave

The Sun on Sunday - Leave

The Times - Remain

The Sunday Times - Leave

Daily Mail - Leave

Mail on Sunday - Remain

The Mirror - Remain

The Sunday Mirror - Remain

The Express - Leave

The Sunday Express - Leave

The Guardian - Remain

The Observer - Remain

The Telegraph - Leave

The Sunday Telegraph - Leave

One useful ploy is to read an article and ask oneself, "Why did the writer choose the word 'X' over 'Y' when the two words mean almost the same thing?"

I dont think being a little nasty to others works very well very often either. Though I cant say personally that I have seen you do that before.

I was in the leave camp but after reading your outpourings practical I may well change my mind !
Thanks Elegran for your usual courteous and measured post.

Words are still loaded with emotional content. One example is that "crowds" does not have exactly the same impact as "hordes".

practical. I have stopped reading much of what you write, and I am a Out person.

I have stopped reading because
1. As of yesterday, I realised you were not being honest and straightforward in what you wrote. You somewhat copied and pasted an article tomake it look like something, when parts of it were something else.

I do not care which "side" anyone is on, when that sort of thing goes on.

2.The things you write are too lenghty. Too wordy and hard going.
A lot of people comeon gransnet for light relief, and at least light reading. I am not speaking for anyone or on behalf on anyone, but I dont think most want long chunks of words. Especially harsh and not easy to read and understand words.

3. Two wrongs do not make a right. Just because one "side" does something, or looks like they are doing something, does not make it ok for the other "side" to do it too.

The question can become, do you care more about the message you are trying to put across, or having a shout about things.

Sometimes, tone matters just as much as words.

Hope you dont take this too badly.

And there is still time to moderate and get accurate what you are saying. In the end, that matters a lot more.

I would have thought you knew the written word is seen in the mind of the reader as they would personally say it perhaps not the same thing as the writer see's it. Says a lot about your mind.

Choice of words is an essential part of rhetoric. Every word carries a message to the reader which pulls strings in the brain and activates subliminal thoughts of other concepts.

Public speakers and writers who are aiming to influence their audience study the thesaurus to find terms which will produce the effect they want.

It is the tone and delivery that remind me of Nuremburg, not the exact content, and I would extend my opinion to some other posters.

practical

Hoards?!
Swooping?!
Slandering?!
Frightened?!
Aggression?!

That's just on this page.

Equal opportunities looks like it, what is equal about the hoards of in voters swooping down to TRY to disprove anything that is said by the leave group. Look through all the threads and you will see this is what they do.
You all seem to have a blond side to what you do.
I don't know what paper you read and I don't care but most of this is not from the Nurenburg rallies it's from the daily express and just as you believe what you read in your paper I believe this. So stop slandering me.

You have NO IDEA what I have looked into or how I voted (by post, long before the issue became so highly charged).

The difference between me and both the "leave crowd" and the "remain crowd" is that I do not use rhetoric borrowed from Nurenburg rallies to wind up anyone's emotions into voting the way I did.