We should think of Jo at the ballot box

Yes Granny 2016,

Nothing clever in speaking the truth Jalima, what a strange view on honesty

Just been visiting my mother in law in her new care home.
On the way there I heard on radio newcastle that Honda are going to sue voteleave as they never gave them permission to use the logo on their leaflets.

On the way back, I heard Boris Johnson saying that he thought that Hitachi leaving the UK was a price worth paying.

I am sure the employees agree with him !

Farage is going to be speaking at the Sage tonight. I hope there are a lot of Hitachi employees there, either inside or out.
The Sage was built with EU money, as was The Baltic and the Millennium Bridge.

infacts.org/brexit-press-repeatedly-run-distorted-migrant-stories/

All the FACTS on migration are there on the last week thread. It seems to me that Brexit have fooled many people. One wonders what will happen once the voter realises he's been made a fool of.

durhamjen I am sure we could have built and paid for The Sage, The Baltic and the Millennium Bridge ourselves if we were not paying billions to the EU every year. You make the EU sound like a charity.

Oh that would be the £350 million we are giving to the NHS.

But the point is we wouldn't have done, Firecracker.
They are all up North. The EU gives money to districts that are poor. The government doesn't. The Northern Powerhouse is a fallacy. It's a way of blaming the councils for not doing enough when they have no extra money.

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/06/20/the-states-may-dump-trump-but-we-cant-exit-brexit/

It is not possible to make a judgment based on facts, because that would require being able to foretell the future.
Voting remain means that we believe we are part of a large community. Leave is a denial of that.

This is fairly easy to say.

The amount of money paid to the EU has been colossal. And think of other countries paying into it daily/weekly/yearly as well.

Yes, it does pay out some money to areas, that may not have got so much otherwise??
But dont think for one moment that it doesnt cost anything much to run the EU!!

Of course we are still part of Europe if we leave. We seem to have no choice. We cannot not be part of Europe as far as I know. It seems to be based purely on geography. We cannot suddenly decide to be part of Asia as far as I know, even if we wanted to.

Have you seen the pi chart issued by HMRC? It clearly shows how little of the UK budget goes to the EU - it is so small it is little wider than a thick pencil line! The smallest outlay by far and the next is foreign aid. Schools and pensions cost about the same as each other - quite a slice - and the NHS is such a huge cost that spending all the EU money on it would make little difference,
The numbers involved in national spending are so huge they are almost incomprehensible and so what sounds like a huge amount to us 'normal' people is in fact very very little in budget terms.

Tell that to people who work for Government services. I cant think what the figures are as regards how many new hospitals it equates to. Though obviously there is no guarantee where the new money could go to after friday.

There might not be any 'new' money - that's the problem!

We've already seen a run on the pound and the government is likely to have to inject money into the economy with quantitative easing to avoid inflation.

In the long term, if financial services and foreign businesses do go abroad (which is highly likely), our balance of payments will be affected and we could end up with LESS money.

There might be wobbles short term, not the same as medium or long term at all.
How much do you think an EU army would cost, and goodness knows what else they may dream up in the days and years going forward!

Obieone is right Welshwife,it is a colossal amount of money.

My income on a government pi chart would barely be visible,but in REAL TERMS,it matters.

EU army, now that is a thought. Have you considered if they create an EU army your GC will be conscripted ? An army would have to very, very large and some countries still have compulsory conscription, and girls would not be exempt either.

My point was that however much it is compared to what is being spent now it would not be a great deal more - to an individual yes but not when shared round all the hospitals etc.

Whether we are in or out, there is not going to be an EU army. That's just another scare story dreamt up by the Brexiters.
It's scary UKIP fantasy.

fullfact.org/europe/hunt-eu-army/

Field Marshal Lord Guthrie disagrees with you durhamjen.
I think he knows a thing or two. I can provide a link!

Funny, that obieone
I was chatting to a very high-up in the Admiralty the other week and he was concerned too.

But don't worry, it's just a scare story, djen said so.

Field Marshalls know all and are always right? I think not

Yes, djen said so!

And Anniebach, you surely are not going to try and say you know more than a Field Marshall?
Yes, I know your words will have covered you somehow. I sometimes think you pass them through some sort of legal and literary people first, to make sure they dont have holes in them anywhere, ever.

Go on then, obieone, provide your link.

No obieone, I just post my opinions and speak the truth , this bothers a certain few. No I do not know more than a field marshal but I do know a high rank does not equal talent or intelligence in every case. Read history of the wars