We should think of Jo at the ballot box

POGS, thank you , the attacks on the .kinnocks on this forum have been so cruel. They are grieving.

A MAJOR leak from Brussels has revealed the NHS will be killed off if Britain remains in the European Union.
Hundreds of papers from the secretive trade talks between the US and EU have been released online.
They appear to confirm fears that the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership talks between Brussels and Washington will, when ratified, lead to the health service being privatised or dismantled.
The documents, obtained by Greenpeace Netherlands, include a US proposal to have a committee with representatives from Washington and Brussels to meet each year “to review state-owned enterprises and monopolies” which would include the NHS.
The committee would meet annually and would not be guaranteed a representative from Britain.
But it would still be able to review state-run services in this country. Its duties would include checking that state services do not “distort” the market.
One section of the papers makes it clear that the EU and America would seek eventually to end all forms of state intervention in competition with the private sector.
Opponents of TTIP have long argued that including healthcare in the treaty will force the privatisation of the NHS or at least make the process impossible to reverse.
EU officials claim they will have wording that allows for the NHS to be protected but have so far failed to provide a full exemption.
Meanwhile, Prime Minister David Cameron has refused to ask for an exemption while trying to persuade British voters to back the Remain campaign in the EU Referendum.
Pro-Brexit campaigners have long warned that if Britain remains in the EU it will see its health service privatised and the NHS broken up.
The party’s health spokeswoman Louise Bours said: “If we don’t say goodbye to the EU we will have to say goodbye to the NHS.
“This committee has been requested by American investors, who will meet with EU officials once a year to decide the fate of our NHS."

Granny 2026, I did not say what you claim I said I said it would make me feel aligned , me does not mean you or anyone else , it means - me, I, Anniebach , one person, got it this time ?

practical What the fu flip have you been reading?!!!

That is such cobblers.

This sounds absolute balderdash - it must be a wind-up or a diversionary tactic timed for just before the vote. If Britain were not in the EU then Brussels would have even less input into what happens to the NHS than it does now.

The NHS is no different in its status as “state-owned enterprises and monopolies” to national health schemes in EU countries - so are they to be "privatised or dismantled" under this secret "Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership . . . between Brussels and Washington" too?

Good grief

Scrub the second sentence of my post - I read it as "if Britaion were not in the EU" - but there is nothing unique about the NHS. Within the EU there are plenty of state-owned health services. I can't imagine them all being clobbered! sounds very like a planted scare-mongering tactic!! A bit of deep investigation into the sources of this is needed.

See www.nhsconfed.org/regions-and-eu/nhs-european-office/influencing-eu-policy/transatlantic-trade-and-investment-partnership and follow the link (about 5 lines down) to the full text of a letter from Gail Cartmail, Assistant General Secretary of the Unite Union, restating her position that the TTIP agreement poses no risk to the NHS.

She says
" TTIP poses no risk whatsoever to public services in the EU, including the NHS;
nothing in TTIP would affect how the NHS in the UK operates at the moment; and
nothing in TTIP would prevent a government from reversing policy as regards the involvement of private operators in the NHS."

And, 5 days ago, "Negotiators from the United States and the European Union have confirmed that it will continue to be for EU member states to make decisions about whether and to what extent they involve the private sector in the provision of public services. The EU's chief negotiator on TTIP has stated that EU countries will continue to be free to decide how they run their public health systems." from www.cherylgillan.co.uk/campaigns/transatlantic-trade-investment-partnership-ttip

And, on 23 May 2016 "As the daughter of a local NHS surgeon, the preservation of an excellent NHS, free when people need it – not only now, but for when today’s children are old – is absolutely fundamental to me and I will fight to preserve this for as long as I am in politics."

"With regards to claims that the TTIP will lead to NHS privatisation; when I sat on the Health Select Committee last year I raised this with the EU’s Director-General for Trade and he said categorically that, even if the NHS is not specifically exempted, all publically funded health services like our own will still be protected. To be very clear: TTIP will not oblige the UK to open up our public health services to private companies." from charlotteleslie.com/where-i-stand/nhs-and-transatlantic-trade-and-investment-partnership-ttip/

The father, brother and sister of Boris support staying in

Boris apparently spent a weekend with Rachel agonising over his thoughts and decision about which way to campaign and whether or not he should go against the PM. That also shows to me that he is not 100% Brexit but, having committed himself, has to put his all into it.

I wouldn't believe B oris Johnson, Farage, Cameron, Gove, Osbourne is they said today is Tuesday
by the time I got round to reading this post it is already Tuesday in Australia

Or a man with an eye for the main chance if DC and GO go down.
Cynical, moi?

POGS, I think that is quite the nastiest post I have seen.
You obviously have not read all the recent threads then djen - or all the links.
That was a quote from a link

practical, I think what you have written is a little naughty.
You have not mentioned

this came out on May 3rd
the health spokesperson, Louise Bours, is a UKIP one

Can't be bothered to find other discrepancies.

This keeps coming up about the NHS and I know the usa would love to destroy our NHS they wont give up
I just hope one day in the future I am not having to say I told you and you wouldn't believe me because if that happens we wont be able to afford the NHS services

Elle
nothing in TTIP would affect how the NHS in the UK operates at the moment;
notice things like at the moment this is the get out for them when it happens
Just look up TTIP and read more than one view

obi it's been coming out ever since Obama went for secret talks with merkel it will be them two who decide

obieone there was at least one thread on here about concerns over TTIP and how we should all be worried about it.

Somehow it seems to have been put on the back burner, but I am sure it was people who are advocating Remain who were concerned about TTIP which is why I got

I agree Jalima. But I am just saying that practical has messed about with what was actually said by at least ommissions. Copying and pasting going on to suit as far as I can see.

Anniebach.....You will have noted that several responses were made to you,who took the same meaning as myself.
Perhaps your post wasn,t too clear.

Granny2016, yes I noticed who assumed as you did, I explain then the difference between 'I' and 'all' they seemed to have missed that, far more understood the difference and didn't make the assumption you and a couple of others did.

Very moving piece on the BBC news just now.

Quite clever semantics Anniebach

Or 'never assume anything' as a friend always says

The beliefs of Britain First is at the heart of why the country will vote with or without.

Can you clarify this Anniebach?

Based on your decision to vote remain ,because of not being of the same mind set as Britain First.