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What Obama really thinks about Islamic extremism

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thatbags Mon 20-Jun-16 07:12:16

That thing where people argue that islamic extremism is caused by Western foreign policies and attitudes to Islam (I said to Islam, not to muslims). I've discovered that it has a name: it's called Carly Simon Syndrome and is described in this article on Obama's views about radical Islam as "an affliction affecting American policymakers so vain that they probably think Islamic extremism, and everything else, is about them".

Is that definition a bit silly? Well, yes, in a humorous way that also makes a valid point. Some people really do seem to think islamic extremism is the fault of the West, otherwise we wouldn't keep hearing the "nothing to do with Islam" mantra when someone claiming to have murdered in the name of their islamic god isn't believed.

The article gives an analysis of Obama's views on the subject and compares them to Trump's. It's a good read and I shall be looking for more stuff by the author, Jeffrey Goldberg.

obieone Mon 20-Jun-16 08:46:31

Havne't got time/cant be bothered to read the link.

My personal opinion is that Obama doesnt want all Muslims tarred with the same brush.
I dont think they are by most in Britain, nor in the USA either. But as I dont know enough about the USA, I can't say that for sure about the USA.

I may read the link later.

Stansgran Mon 20-Jun-16 09:35:05

I've read the link . I'm not sure I've learnt anything new.

obieone Mon 20-Jun-16 09:58:38

Going by that article, he is thinking about it all too much, and has tied himself up in knots. HIs thinking does not appear clear, and so he has become indecisive.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 20-Jun-16 10:12:42

I Just know that President Obama is a good man, and Trump can take his views and shove 'em where the sun don't shine.

But he did withdraw American troops too soon. The job needed finishing properly. He didn't want anymore American troops killed. But he should have remembered the trouble was first stirred up by Bush (and Blair). America (and Britain), once started on the Middle East, could and should have done a lot more in Syria. Or they should have left it all well alone in the first place.

I'm not sure the article warrants anymore further reading than that.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 20-Jun-16 11:07:19

If we read all the article Bags, will you read our answers, and give us marks out of ten? I will read it then. smile

Crafting Mon 20-Jun-16 13:12:30

hmm jings after a gold star as usual.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 20-Jun-16 13:33:57

Rubbish! Sense of humour failure crafting?

Crafting Mon 20-Jun-16 14:05:21

Sorry jings was meant as a joke, no offence intended.

Crafting Mon 20-Jun-16 14:06:54

I thought your comment was funny jings I should have put a grin after mine so that you realised I was not serious.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 20-Jun-16 14:09:08

Oh. Alright. soz. hmm

Thought it didn't sound like you. wink

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 20-Jun-16 14:09:58

(I'm a sensitive little soul) smile

Crafting Mon 20-Jun-16 14:12:35

Lets make up have a cupcake smile

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 20-Jun-16 14:15:27

Aww! We never fell out! cupcake and brew for you too. smile

thatbags Mon 20-Jun-16 15:33:23

Hello, jings. I've read all the comments. They have been really thrilling. <liar! liar! pants on fire!>

However, I don't mind if people read it and don't comment. I also don't mind if people don't read it and do comment. In fact, my contentment does not rely on anyone reading it or commenting on it. I found it interesting so I shared it. If people want to ignore it... shrug.