Does a little bit of you...... (It's about that)

Very very selfishly, and totally irrelevant, our 3 monthly transfer of our UK pensions will happen in a couple of days-
we are minus 40% down due to the Swiss Franc dereg a few years back and then .... If we also lose our health care insurance, which is based on reciprocal arrangements with EU- what then?
But much more importantly (we can tighten belt and will pay a LOT less tax) - we feel gutted and heart broken. We always thought we would go back to UK with advancing years- but I just do not want to go back to a divided and isolated (little) Britain.

We are absolutely split down the middle particularly if you include the young who didn't vote.

I agree with the posts of thatbags and rosesarered and petra and others.

And yes, definitely the soundbites should have been in 5 minute chunks!

If a person cannot make their point clear and succinct in 5 minutes, many voters[millions] like me, switch off.

Gransnet is not at all representative of anything much, sadly. It's demographic is too wealthy and too well educated, and too white, and too many living abroad, to be able to be representative of even older voters in Britain. I am going though by those who speak. Those who are the total membership may be much more representative, but if they dont post, we dont know.

As I have said either on this thread or elsewhere, I dont intend to be on gransnet as much in the next couple of weeks. Safer that way!

Will David Cameron claim JSA now and pay his bedroom tax?

Oh well. The story does unfold. I will watch, and hope for the best.

Got my wish. Could have done without it.

I did think at the time you posted this thread- be careful what you wish for as it might bite you very hard on the bum....

it has

He won't be eligible for housing benefit, so he won't have to pay bedroom tax. He'll still be an MP, so won't need to claim JSA.

what is so tragic is looking at the stats for age groups. Will the young, that is our children and grand-children, who voted massively for REMAIN- forgive those who voted OUT in our generation - when they lose jobs, opportunities, study grants, and can't go and work in Europe, etc.


Some data:

Wales: Leave
England: Leave
Scotland: Remain
Northern Ireland: Remain

HOW AGES VOTED
18-24: 75% Remain
25-49: 56% Remain
50-64: 44% Remain
65+: 39% Remain

HOW PARTIES VOTED
Tory 43 Remain, 57 Leave
Labour 69 Remain, 31 Leave
Libs 73 Remain, 27 Leave
Ukip: 7 Remain, 93 Leave

DD I think sarcasm was the name of the game in my last post.

granjura I have already had one child emigrate - I expect to be holding my breath for the next few years as my other children (all with career paths welcomed by other countries) weigh up their choice to stay or leave.

I just had a very supportive text from my eldest son - he knows that my thoughts are with him and his siblings this morning, and I'm sure he will be second guessing my concerns regarding the possibility they will now leave the UK - he says he never doubted that my vote would be based on what I believed to be best for the younger generation. He really is a thoughtful young man.

This is my daughter's Facebook status today:

"This is the worst morning after, ever"

She had EU Erasmus funding to study abroad and regularly hops on planes for weekends to see friends in EU countries. She was hoping to work in Germany.

My son is even more gutted. He wanted to study abroad too, but the funding won't be there.

Neither will want to stay in the UK after this.

Interesting stats, granjura

So Labour voters DIDN'T overwhelmingly vote to leave - so much for the blue collar army deserting the party theory. The Ukip vote is not surprising, but it looks as though it was the Tories who swung it for Leave.

Our 2 daughters have Swiss nationality as well as British- daughter will go to Embassy next week to register her DH and the children for Swiss nationality too- they are lucky as this will give them a backdoor to Europe. Most won't have that chance.

I have many young British friends in France, with children. They are all discussing how and when they can apply for French citizenship- as they want their children to grow up with opportunities in Europe.

My son lives and works in Gibraltar he and his little family are distressed and not a little scared of what this could mean for them.

Not surprised Gibraltar cititzen do feel very uncomfortable at the moment- good luck.

Many young expats in Switzerland who have been here for years will be applying for Swiss citizenship as soon as they can- for the same reasons- the future of their children. One couple has got in touch today to organise intensive French lessons to facilitate the process as soon as they become elegible next Spring.

Having watched events unfold all through the night and engaging with those who were insomniacs such as myself it was interesting and terrifying watching it all unravel.

Whether you, I, others agree with the vote or not we have voted using a democratic process and now is the time to accept the situation.

It is time to look sensibly as to how this is handled and the continuation of insulting others that is being displayed shows how little people have understood how damaging this has been, possibly had an effect on the out come of the vote. It is time for rationality to take hold and fear mongering to stop and a progressive way of thinking to take
precedence, too much to ask, I hope not.

And time to stop denying that it's already proving to be a financial disaster!

I think it is a bit much to ask from some as they are still in shock POGS. My daughter is currently ranting on FB and I think she needs to 'get it out' of her system, as do many disappointed voters. This is the reality of democracy.

So we need to look to the future and pull together, not be held back by some who will never accept this result. Those who are disappointed but mature enough to accept reality will sooner or later realise that what's done is done and work out a way forward.

Mark Carney spoke with calm authority this morning.

I seem to have heard NF saying this morning that he had not accepted us being in the EU for 20 years.

You really do expect people to agree with your opinion POGS. Of course we will - we have to - go alone with the majority but we do not have to agree that it is a good thing. No doubt we will cope with whatever it brings; no doubt we will try and make the best of it but that doesn't mean that the day after the course of our history has changed against the will of nearly half our county, against the majority of young voters, against the majority of Scottish voters, we will sing, dance and make merry.

Granjura where are you facts from?

I am confused at the ' How the Parties Voted ' section. What is it pertaining to percentage of the vote and if so how is it established. How does anybody know my political persuasion when I vote.

Daphnedil

"So Labour voters DID'NT vote overwhelmingly to Leave"

You and I watched all through the night and our posts are telling. You know exactly how the results were coming in geographically. You commentated regularly on the fact the Labour heartlands vote had been for Leave and how you found that anomaly confusing. I think it is as clear as the nose on our faces the Leave vote crossed all the political divide
especially in Wales and England but I think it is wish full thinking to put a different angle on the naked truth.

Gracesgran

I didn't ask for people to agree with my opinion!

granjura they are actually fearful thanks for you good wishes.

Have you seen there is a UK Govt petition asking for a second referendum ? - we are still in the EU and the rules say it needs a 60% result for change with a 75% turnout - neither of which was obtained.