Be totally clued up about the constitutional position of the U.K. and the EU. Essential viewing

I can see no logic or justification for your post of 21.30 obieone. I don't know where you are going with your "wealthy left-wingers" etc. It seems you are raising a red herring of your own invention, perhaps to deflect attention from Michael Dougan's
very clear explanation of the economic implications of "Brexit" and Elegran's extremely concise and helpful summary for anybody who cannot be bothered to concentrate for more than 6 minutes at a time.

The 'open letter' from Greece is a hoax - or, at least, it's possibly a genuine letter, but is only being circulated on paranoid conspiracy websites and the handful of 'signatories' appear to be nationalist groups comparing the EU with Nazis and Axis.

And here's Paul Mason, who wants to leave the EU, explaining why he's voting to remain (it's only 26 seconds!):

www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WtiDzvXFM4

And an article by Mason, which has been linked before, but is worth reading:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/20/brexit-fake-revolt-eu-working-class-culture-hijacked-help-elite

And another article, written before it all started getting dirty, explaining why those who hate the EU won't get the Europe or Britain they want:

www.opendemocracy.net/uk/denis-macshane/brexit-will-give-neither-hitchens-nor-mason-europe-they-desire

And why Owen Jones, who wrote an article arguing Leave, has changed his mind after considering the likely consequences:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/23/labour-jeremy-corbyn-pro-eu-referendum-brexit

And, finally from me, why the Mail on Sunday urges its readers to vote Remain:

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3648681/THE-MAIL-SUNDAY-COMMENT-Vote-Remain-safer-freer-prosperous-yes-GREATER-Britain.html

I checked out the site publishing this so-called letter daphnedill and it is also claiming some (to me) nonsense that the man who tackled Jo Cox's murderer and tried to help her "was a widower who died 3 years ago", citing and printing an obituary to that effect.
Clearly they have found an obituary of the wrong man, people can have the same name, but what appalling taste to make this assertion.

Professor Michael Dougan was a revelation and almost made me wish I had studied constitutional law.

Just a thought – does anyone know if this referendum is binding? (In other words, does the current Government legally have to act on the results?)

Well there looks like there is going to be a North South divide about my post of 21.30pm for starters.

I think you will find, come friday and afterwards, it will be a hot topic of conversation.

Perhaps have a bit more think about it.

In poorere areas of Britain, it is quite well known, that they are saying they will choose OUT.

We may not like all their reasons for doing so, but the Labour Party, which has been their traditional party of choice, has somewhat ignored them.

I am not sure they will be able to win them back after the referendum.

It has shown the Labour Party itself, and in general, to be quite out of touch with how the poor lead their lives.

They dont really understand them, and are certainly not listening to them.

Jeremy Corbyn himself might be able to pull them back. Not sure. I dont think that some of the Labour local MPs though will be able to by the next election. Some people can have long memories.

We shall see. Time will tell.

absent, no it isn't binding. It has to be ratified by, I cant remember who. Our parliament and the EU I think, but dont quote me on that.
But I have read that the government would feel pressurred to act quickly about it if it was an OUT.

From my point of view, if a government believes in democracy, and wants to be seen to believe in democracy, they dont have much or any choice.

Perhaps because the left wing considered all the implications for the future before making up their minds? Politics isn't ALL about manipulating the poor into voting for them (known to the Romans as free bread and circuses) strange as that may sound to you.

I think Mason has a point though that there should be a General election if the vote is out. We can then vote in a government who we think will do the best it can for the UK.

The left wing who though?
They may have thought they have, but when you are living in a grotty area of Britain, and are determind to vote OUT, there is a disconnect between what London thinks is right, and what Labour Joe public thinks and wants.

But we shall see.
We only have two days to wait and see.

Cant see that happening whitewave.

When people go to the polls, they do it on the assumption that they are voting for the next 5 years or so.

Which part are you particularly bothered about if the vote is out?
I dont quite get your point.

Thank you Whitewall for flagging up this video and Alea for facilitating the link. I have just watched it. Excellent delivery and content.

Here is another video which whitewave posted How trade deals work (One minute 44 seconds and very straightforward, not long enough to get bored)

Thanks and shared.

That is the whole tragedy of the referendum obie people not realising that there is no going back if we leave - if we reamain in another ten-twenty years another referendum would be possible but not if we leave - for one thing they are very unlikely to ever want us back!

I will watch it later Elegran.

Personally I would have thought everyone thinks leave is leave.

I don't understand this "no going back" thing. Who says so? Even a future government could decide to leave purely off their own bat, without even calling a referendum. And there could certainly be another referendum some time in the future.

I think it's quite possible the they would welcome us back with open arms.

Have you spoken to some French, Belgians Germans, Italians, etc- very recently jingl??? I was at a large gathering of European young people (in their 20s to 40s mainly)- and they made it clear. If Brits want out- that is very sad and tragic, but don't they dare ask to trade agreements and ask to have their 'cake and eat it'. As for return - well I just can't imagine that would ever work.

Let me think... where was my last holiday? I would have spoken to the lady in the bread shop.

Nope! Can't remember where the fuck I went last.

jing of course we can ask if the EU will take us back! But can you imagine the hoops we would have to go through? Our special relationship would be gone never to return.

What 'special relationship'? I thought that was supposed to be with the US...

And you have voted without knowing that ana or are you being pendantic?

L'entente cordiale - wasn't that the one ;) I can tell you- as I talk daily to many many French people, not just one in the bakery- and as said, talked about the issue specifically (not just buying a baguette) about Brexit with a large group of European young adults- that they definitely believe they want the UK to stay in- but if out, will be OUT.

No * granjura* Britain stands alone in its relationship with the EU and the terms it has negotiated over the years, including various opt outs sterling, etc. That's what I meant when I was talking to jing about our possibility of going back, and the special relationship we have with the EU - no one else has the same terms.