Ok, we are out, what now?

Boris will not give a toss, he did it all to get to no 10

I am getting increasingly angry when I see the uninformed opinion that has brought us out of the EU. Yes, it needed reform; yes, the leadership of the EU arrogantly thought they could go on the way they were but, while some were thoughtful so many "leave" voters seem to have been throwing their toys out of the pram after making little or no effort to find out what the consequence would be.

As for racism - I have been horrified at the outpourings we have heard. I don't believe that all those who voted to "leave" are racists, bigots or xenophobes, but I do believe that all racists, bigots and xenophobes did vote to "leave"

The grab for power in the Conservative party is sickening and the one in the Labour Party is not much better.

Ethelbags1, I almost wept when I read your latest post. This decision has set families against one another, and torn communities apart and put the Kingdoms at risk of splitting the UK.

Please watch the video I posted links to and tell me please if you still think it's alright to be on the outside of Europe.

On a very personal level I know that I'm very 'devastated' and 'upset' that my grandson is going to have to stand in a different aisle when coming through passport control when this happens in two years' time.

I can't "just get over it". I feel a sense of unreality, I still can't believe it.
I didn't post or even bother reading all the threads , as I thought common sense would prevail. What a hope.
I thought last night while watching the news that at my age I will never see what happens , but my GC will. When will it really sink in just what we have done?

We are still in the EU and will be until we invoke article 50. The Brexit politicians are already back tracking and suggesting putting off the beginning of the exit. Let us try to get the result of this misguided referendum kicked into the long grass.

Is this possible?
I felt B J was looking serious and back peddling last evening. Could be even he was shocked. Please never ever let him get his hands on the keys of No10.

Misguided , misjudged, mistake. Any other "mis" you can think of.

I believe it is our decision as to when to invoke article 50.

A vote against the government by the governed.

There is a suggestion that the country is fractured completely.

That the political parties no longer are in that dreadful phrase " fit for purpose"

That it will be almost next to impossible to fulfil the promises made and as a result there will be a huge amount of anger.

Boris was booed by the crowd in London yesterday, hopefully he will realise that not everyone loves him. David Cameron took the gamble to win the election. Now it is destroying the party and the country. Well done Dave. He will no doubt go back to living his monied lifestyle in the Cotswolds. Angry and depressed doesn't come near it.

I like to think of Boris waking up in bed with Nigel and thinking "Oh God. What have we done?"
Yes. Make him PM so he personally will have to deal with the colossal mess he's made of our country and we can happily nuke him at the polls next time. Not nice? I'm not feeling nice!

There was a suggestion in the press yesterday that he never realistically expected to win and that's why he shuffled forward, said how much he admired DC and then made a hasty retreat.

Where was the Boris from the campaign driving a juggernaut, auctioning a cow, waving bananas and asparagus( as if this is all it was about!) He shied away from kissing the fish however.

I read that Brexit are saying DC has a duty to remain as PM. Just as soon as he's got the knife out of his back!

Why should we give any respect to the result of a referendum that has been so manipulated? The consequences of which are so disastrous. Press MPs to refuse to invoke article 50 until a general election.

"United" Kingdom is a mess. Both main parties in the South havent a clue what they are going to do now with Boris only out for the keys to no. 10.

When the Daily Record in Scotland (which has always been staunchly Labour supporting) now backs Nicola for a second referendum you know that dice is cast too as Labour in Scotland is an utter joke.

I gained a masters from an EU social fund grant and did scientific research paid for by the EU, my daughter won't have those opportunities unless Scotland goes it alone. Many Scots didn't want to break up the union...the English and Welsh have forced it on us with dumb and dumber now leading the show.

I'd rather be part of the EU where my daughter is free to work where she wants than in such an insular, xenophobic and racist Britain (some of the channel 4 interviewees confirmed that with comments about stopping Muslims entering the country - a Trumpism if ever I heard one and most sane people think he's mad).

My husbands job is no longer secure (his company is french) and I work in public sector (always first casualty with any spending cuts). My private pension from a previous employer was reduced by 10% yesterday. Our holiday to Gran Canaria will cost us more as the pound can only be used as toilet paper now...so the sooner I can put another cross on the ballot paper for YES, the better as at least that way we might have a future. Under Boris and Farage that's just a sick joke.

I think we should enter a time capsule and press June 22nd

The EU want us out as soon as possible. I don't know if they can do anything to speed the process from their side. They are saying that DC needs to start the process now. I am horrified at how far and wide this ridiculous result has caused chaos. Things which people said would happen have already started and we have Digby Jones sitting on the sofa and saying how great it all is!! I despair.

Respect the hard fought for democracy and jointly restore the UK's sovereignty. Whatever happens cannot be compared with anything else so support the way forward and make the UK a country that the world respects; as it used to.
WE need leading statesmen/women who listen to the people and who can be respected throughout the world. We need a rebuild pathway that regenerates our manufacturing industries, our housebuilding, farming and fisheries, to promote city confidence, investment and realistic budgeting.
Together we can do it; divided we will fail.

The political decision to leave has yet to be taken. I suspect hat the polls and the bookies all forecasting a remain vote may have skewed the result. It was always going to be close so it is important not to lose sight of the fact that there was a hight level of dissatisfaction with the eu.

The geographical distribution of the votes is significant and I think reflects a feeling that the city of London, with it's high house prices and unsupportable bonuses is out of touch with the concerns of ordinary people whose lives haven't improved significantly. The failure of those in power to tackle the excesses of bankers and company bosses (e.g. Philip Green for one) must bear some responsibility for what happened.

I also think that the apocalyptic predictions of David Cameron, George Osborne and the remainers had the opposite effect to that they intended.

Having said that - what next.

Firstly, without the eu free movement of labour we should be able to admit into the country those from all over the world who have skills and expertise to share. I'm all for encouraging specialists in their fields to work in this country, particularly to our universities and our hospitals and to admit students to study in our excellent institutions. I also see it is part of a fair and just society that the families of settled immigrants should be allowed to join them (with restrictions on recourse to public funds).

Some of the eu right to work migrants have these skills, but many work for the minimum wage at the lower end of the skills set. I don't blame employers for preferring them to our own workers. We urgently need, and have needed for some time, our educationalist and business to put in place policies which will tackle the problems faced by our less academic children. Business has to take responsibility for training and development of school levers and not rely on cheap migrant labour.

Finally, I think that to dismiss the referendum result as some sort of bigoted racist decision is unfair. Undoubtedly there is an underbelly of intolerance in the uk, as there is in every country in the world, but in general, we are a tolerant and inclusive people.

And lastly, it is acknowledged that house prices in London and the south-east have reached unaffordable levels for all but the very rich. This is unsustainable. If coming out of the eu, as George Osborne predicted, brings home ownerships back into the reach of the majority, can that be a bad thing?

Cloud cuckoo land. The vote was won on lies and deceit. The very least they can do now is stop immigration, pour money into the NHS and "take control" whatever that means. Like that is going to happen

The EU is in dire need of reform; we rightly tried to achieve that from within and failed. I am not surprised at this result, especially as DC came back from Brussels empty-handed when he tried to negotiate.

The Common Market that started all this had laudable aims; but so much has changed and it has turned into something far more powerful and intrusive than most expected and that seems to be unstoppable.

I suspect that there will be many calls for change in the EU over the coming years, and it maybe that Thursday's vote will be a trigger for this.

Yes - I know about the right-wing parties and the xenophobia, which is to be deprecated in the strongest terms, but there are more moderate folk wanting reform and we have to hope that their voice will be heard. In that nothing has changed since the vote.

When I read these posts and see all the sensible discussion about the folly of leaving the EU, I am so angry that such important points were not made during the campaign. With battle buses bearing misleading, emotional appeals about the millions that could be put into the NHS, inordinate amounts of air time given to Farage and the popular Murdoch press happy to see us leave the EU dominating the newsstands, what chance of an informed decision? Hence some of the reasons being given by ordinary people for their vote to leave.Judging from the backtracking given by key Brexit players, they took it a step too far. A cynical, personal power ploy that has cost the future of our next generation and which perhaps those touting for it didn't really want. And don't say it's early days. The UK's credit rating with Moody's was downgraded to negative today and so it begins.

@sally21

Just wanted to pick you up on one part of your post re London property. The pundits are saying that if prices drop, London property is likely to be snapped up by foreign investors, which is the last thing Londoners need. :-(

I don't know where you live Sally but round here we already have a shortage of doctors in our hospitals and GP practices so I can't see how this is going to improve. As for universities etc, we are more likely to lose our own experts as a lot of research is done collaboratively with EU organisations and that area will be cut off unless we contribute a lot of funding. Don't believe me: ask Switzerland. Same argument goes for our aerospace industry - that is closely connected to other EU countries.

Newcastle has in the distant past been ruled by Scotland, do you suppose we could re-instate that, join them and stay in the EU? I can't think of anything else that would lighten my mood.

I didn't post yesterday because I was just so shocked that we had voted out. I am still reeling and anything I am hearing from the Leave camp politicians isn't inspiring me with confidence in their ability to forge deals that will benefit the ordinary people. I firmly believe they should now get on with it. Why drag your heels when you have wanted this for so long? Of course trade deals will be done and trade will continue as it has done for centuries but it is not always favourable to one side.
I would genuinely like to believe that all Leavers did so by studying the arguments on both sides and coming to a responsible decision and I am sure a significant number did just that. I do however believe that a significant number also voted as a protest against the Government on certain issues like austerity, NHS, education, movement of people etc. But this vote was an irreversible decision unlike the policies put forward to address those issues that you would get in a general election.
I do not see the election of a new Conservative leader as being anything to do with the negotiations. Whoever delivers the letter to start the procedure and whoever sits down with the EU bodies to hammer out our exit and new deals will be serving MPs anyway who have been elected to represent us and make decisions on our behalf. So get on with it and stop trying to look for the 'get out of jail free' card. I do have to say I didn't think any of the Leave hierarchy looked particularly excited by the prospect. Part of me suspects they thought Remain would win by a narrow majority which would force the hand of the EU to address the very real concerns which IMO should have been thoroughly addressed some time ago.
As for accusations of 'sour grapes' that we did not get the majority I wanted - if Remain had won by just such a small majority Leave camp would be saying, quite rightly, exactly what we are. DC's fault for not setting a substantial % of the electorate either way and not making it mandatory that all parts of the UK are 'in it together' be the decision Leave or Remain.