Ok, we are out, what now?

Watching Evan Davis interviewing a Brexit politician on the Newsnight Special last night, I was appalled at how quickly they have backtracked on their promises, the ones designed to bring the disenchanted on board. Astonishingly, they have not produced any sort of realistic plan as to the way forward now. I think Boris et al thought that DC would deal with the s--t as it hit the fan, and now that that responsibility has been placed on their shoulders, they are like rabbits caught in the headlights!

The rest of the EU countries are meeting without UK representation next week to decide their way forward, and it appears that the divorce will be swift and decisive on their part. Looks like UK will have little opportunity to negotiate. EU leaders apparently feel the need to make an example of renegade UK to prevent the whole thing collapsing like a house of cards. Even US are turning away from us ...... Unless of course the idiot Trump becomes president. He thinks Brexit is a good thing, but was unable to elaborate because he has no idea what it was all about.

What annoys me is that England and Wales (who has benefitted hugely from EU money) are bringing NI and Scotland down with them. Democracy? I'm not sure.

This thread seems to be singularly lacking in suggestions about the way forward, except for put up and shut up. I suppose that is the only thing we can do, as we are powerless in the face of such huge global issues. But it's going to be a bumpy ride!

What I want to know is when do our MEPs get made redundant?
I never want to see Farage and Hannan again, taking our money but not doing their job.

Yes, please, trisher. Unfortunately, the North East voted for Brexit, so I cannot see them wanting to go in with Scotland's wishes.

What's wrong with put up and shut up? This problem was caused by promises made which now appear to be going to be broken. I do not think those who voted to leave will be happy with Boris et al now saying we didn't mean straight away, in fact we did not mean for the foreseeable future.
That way will cause riots and unrest. They have to throw some sops to the people who voted for their ludicrous lies.

I repeat that we are still a member of the EU and it is in our hands as to whether we invoke article50 as a prelude to a two year exit. We can delay starting the exit mechanism indefinitely I believe. The Brexit MPs are already backtracking.

Nope it isn't anan . That would be to add insult to injury. We have a moral obligation to get on with it and allow the EU to begin to pick up the pieces. It isn't just about us us us.

I have said this on other threads, but once you resign from a club you do not decide how you want to do it. That is for remaining members to decide. Once our subscription expires, at the end of this year or next April or whatever we should be booted out and left to sink or swim.

I couldn't quite believe it yesterday and wasn't able to get my thoughts together. Now I think to Brexiters "be careful what you wish for". Will our country be a better more economically sound, more united and happier place for us to live and bring up our children & grandchildren because we are Out of the EU? For the immediate future it looks as if the economy will be in turmoil, it is likely that Scotland will leave us, and we are likely to have a right wing government that will make the last lot look like pussycats. Many of the dissatisfactions felt by the electorate, which were pinned on EU, will not disappear, and I fear as a result there will be much widespread unrest and disillusionment. I hope I am wrong and we will not become a more divided country, but feeling quite pessimistic right now.

We've had many message from young members of the family and friends- saying thank you for voting remain despite being 65+. They are incensed that it is mainly older people who voted against, without thinking about the next generations- and who won't be affected much themselves. Had I voted OUT, I would find it difficult to face those younsters today.

I've been really upset by many of the expats here in Switzerland, who were able to move here due to free movement of people (yes, Switzerland had to agree to this to have trade deals with the EU- and the UK will I'm absolutely sure not be able to refuse this as it is one of the essential basic tenets of the EU), got great jobs (which many here perceive should have gone to locals...this could be debated, no space here), have completely messed up the housing market as the best housing goes to them at hugely inflated prices directly via relocation agencies, with the locals not even getting a look in), making huge demands on local schools, health, traffic, etc, services, have great big fat salaries- and NO intention of ever moving back- and who voted OUT and are now watching from afar with glee, with those alps and lakes in front of them and a glass of local wine in their hands- watching the country fall apart.

They don't care because they are alright Jack, or Hans... and the further the £ falls, the higher their wages rise. Win win- and as house prices fall in the UK, with a high Swiss franc and a low £, they will just add to their UK property portfolio. Hurrah.

I thought you are an expat lving in Switzerland

Personally I think older people on the whole, have more wisdom than younger people on the whole.

Just an update on the petition to trigger a 2nd referendum. A few moments ago it stood at:

1,211,377 signatures

Yes I am obione- but I voted REMAIN. I am talking about those who voted OUT- and will not be affected, from their comfy luxury flat by Lake Zurich or Geneva- living the life of Riley afforded to them by EU agreements- and who will benefit hugely by the fall of the £.

(Well not quite an expat as such- I was born and bred here, left to go to work in London in 1970, married a Brit and lived, raised a family, studied, worked in the UK all my adult life- now back to my native Switzerland in retirement for a few years- with the intention of returning to be close to daughters and GCs in later life. And here on our UK pensions only, paid in £ and not in Swiss FRancs. Thanks).

What a lot of anger there is. I think it is knowledge that the electorate were duped by the £350m and take back control mantra. Only to be told less than 12 hrs after it isn't what they meant. They might have done the decent thing and al least tried.

Yes there is a colossal amount of anger. Its actually brave of Obieone to stick her head above the parapet. There's a lot of awkward shuffling away by brexit voters.

I just don't mean on here I mean the entire social media is flaming

I'm sure I read something earlier this year that the deal for a member state leaving is decided behind closed doors with the member state excluded from the meetings. Also the the deal offered is non-negotiable. The two years is the time for discussion, then the deal is drawn up as I have described. I was trying to find the document that said this, which I think was written by a former EU commissioner or legal professional, but I can't find the link. I think I posted it on here, but the search function is hopeless.

Good on you, Grandura!

Yes wilma that's right. But we said that before the vote and were accused of scaremongering remember?

Thanks wot.

Granjura - because I live in the Swiss/French mountains chain called 'Le Jura' - very close to where I was born and bred.

jackofkent.com/2016/06/why-the-article-50-notification-is-important/

Of course there could be the thought that article isn't being triggered because once it is that's it. Maybe just maybe they are having second thoughts. I don't mean Farage he doesn't count.

The end of that article is very important.

Lord Hill, the UK's European Commissioner has just stood down saying "what is done cannot be undone".

"In my view, if the Article 50 notification was not sent yesterday – the very day after the Leave result – there is a strong chance it will never be sent.

If this view is wrong, it remains the case that those with a sincere interest in the issue of UK’s membership – whether Remainers or Leavers – should keep their eyes on the Article 50 notification, regardless of noise and bluster and excuses.

As long as the notification is not sent, the UK remains part of the EU.

And there is currently no reason or evidence to believe that, regardless of the referendum result, the notification will be sent at all."

From the JackofKent blog. He's a lawyer, by the way. Do we trust experts?

ww my mind is overflowing with information about the EU to the point of not being able to remember what is fact and what is opinion.

This will sound like total overkill, but right now it feels to me like invoking Article 50 is like pressing the big red button.

dj I understood the article and I'm sure lawyers are beavering away behind the scenes to work out what our options are. I live in hope as the eternal optimist.

Boris should do the honourable thing and resign. The campaign spearheaded by him was built on lies and deceit. It has appeared somewhere this morning that Gisela Stuart didn't actually tell the lie. No but she aligned herself alongside those who did. Guilty by assocation in my view. Did she bring pressure to bear to make them tell the truth?