"United" Kingdom is a mess. Both main parties in the South havent a clue what they are going to do now with Boris only out for the keys to no. 10.
When the Daily Record in Scotland (which has always been staunchly Labour supporting) now backs Nicola for a second referendum you know that dice is cast too as Labour in Scotland is an utter joke.
I gained a masters from an EU social fund grant and did scientific research paid for by the EU, my daughter won't have those opportunities unless Scotland goes it alone. Many Scots didn't want to break up the union...the English and Welsh have forced it on us with dumb and dumber now leading the show.
I'd rather be part of the EU where my daughter is free to work where she wants than in such an insular, xenophobic and racist Britain (some of the channel 4 interviewees confirmed that with comments about stopping Muslims entering the country - a Trumpism if ever I heard one and most sane people think he's mad).
My husbands job is no longer secure (his company is french) and I work in public sector (always first casualty with any spending cuts). My private pension from a previous employer was reduced by 10% yesterday. Our holiday to Gran Canaria will cost us more as the pound can only be used as toilet paper now...so the sooner I can put another cross on the ballot paper for YES, the better as at least that way we might have a future. Under Boris and Farage that's just a sick joke.
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Ok, we are out, what now?
(840 Posts)The vote is in, we are to leave the EU. Deep breath, everyone, a new start begins today.
What needs to be done now? No recriminations allowed, no ranting, please. Constructive ideas only for what steps we should take now - we meaning the government, the legal bods, the negotiators, the banks, large and small busineeses, social departments, and orfinary people?
Bear in mind that it will take two years to settle the divorce details, then we have to begin creating a new relationship with the single market of the EU, if we are to buy and sell anything with them, after which new partners might will want to negotiate deals with us. Time scale unknown, but likely to take years. They could be lean years, our credit rating has gone down instantly, and our £ notes won't buy as much abroad at the moment. Better get a taste for British-grown food.
Meanwhile through and after the divorce we have to feed the children (without any alimony, just on our own efforts, and without the inlaws helping us to get orders any more)
The au pairs and the chars will soon go home, which means we'll have to do things ourselves which we used to let them do - look after our aged relations, nurse us after operations, and so on. On the plus side, that should mean we will be needed in those jobs, if we want them.
Why should we give any respect to the result of a referendum that has been so manipulated? The consequences of which are so disastrous. Press MPs to refuse to invoke article 50 until a general election.
There was a suggestion in the press yesterday that he never realistically expected to win and that's why he shuffled forward, said how much he admired DC and then made a hasty retreat.
Where was the Boris from the campaign driving a juggernaut, auctioning a cow, waving bananas and asparagus( as if this is all it was about!) He shied away from kissing the fish however.
I read that Brexit are saying DC has a duty to remain as PM. Just as soon as he's got the knife out of his back!
I like to think of Boris waking up in bed with Nigel and thinking "Oh God. What have we done?"
Yes. Make him PM so he personally will have to deal with the colossal mess he's made of our country and we can happily nuke him at the polls next time. Not nice? I'm not feeling nice!
Boris was booed by the crowd in London yesterday, hopefully he will realise that not everyone loves him. David Cameron took the gamble to win the election. Now it is destroying the party and the country. Well done Dave. He will no doubt go back to living his monied lifestyle in the Cotswolds. Angry and depressed doesn't come near it.
A vote against the government by the governed.
There is a suggestion that the country is fractured completely.
That the political parties no longer are in that dreadful phrase " fit for purpose"
That it will be almost next to impossible to fulfil the promises made and as a result there will be a huge amount of anger.
I believe it is our decision as to when to invoke article 50.
Misguided , misjudged, mistake. Any other "mis" you can think of.
Is this possible?
I felt B J was looking serious and back peddling last evening. Could be even he was shocked. Please never ever let him get his hands on the keys of No10.
We are still in the EU and will be until we invoke article 50. The Brexit politicians are already back tracking and suggesting putting off the beginning of the exit. Let us try to get the result of this misguided referendum kicked into the long grass.
I can't "just get over it". I feel a sense of unreality, I still can't believe it.
I didn't post or even bother reading all the threads , as I thought common sense would prevail. What a hope.
I thought last night while watching the news that at my age I will never see what happens , but my GC will. When will it really sink in just what we have done?
Ethelbags1, I almost wept when I read your latest post. This decision has set families against one another, and torn communities apart and put the Kingdoms at risk of splitting the UK.
Please watch the video I posted links to and tell me please if you still think it's alright to be on the outside of Europe.
On a very personal level I know that I'm very 'devastated' and 'upset' that my grandson is going to have to stand in a different aisle when coming through passport control when this happens in two years' time.
I am getting increasingly angry when I see the uninformed opinion that has brought us out of the EU. Yes, it needed reform; yes, the leadership of the EU arrogantly thought they could go on the way they were but, while some were thoughtful so many "leave" voters seem to have been throwing their toys out of the pram after making little or no effort to find out what the consequence would be.
As for racism - I have been horrified at the outpourings we have heard. I don't believe that all those who voted to "leave" are racists, bigots or xenophobes, but I do believe that all racists, bigots and xenophobes did vote to "leave"
The grab for power in the Conservative party is sickening and the one in the Labour Party is not much better.
Boris will not give a toss, he did it all to get to no 10
It's not illegal to be racist, unless discrimination or incitement laws are broken.
@Badenkate
There were demonstrations in London and Edinburgh yesterday about the racist rhetoric of the campaign.
Please watch this report about just how important our membership of the EU was and the rationale behind it. I find it very informative and moving, but then I like Rachel.
If you don't have patience for the whole thing watch how the world reacted and how much it cost the US alone yesterday.
www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show
With talk of London declaring independence today, Scotland wanting another referendum and Ireland talking about going it alone I hope Brexit leaders have the good grace to be shocked at what they've started when they woke this morning.
I share your concern GandTea, but I flinch at your concept of "an illegal opinion". Let's keep the thought police out of it!
Looking at the result in more general terms, it seems that the UK Independence Party has achieved its objective at the likely cost of destroying the UK. Nice one, Nigel.
I can't believe how angry I still feel! I thought this morning that I would now accept the situation but it hasn't happened. So many lies and half-truths were told to get people to vote for such a huge change for our country. I've read the comments that basically say 'get over it' but how? I have signed the petition which is rapidly heading towards 1 million signatures of people who clearly feel as angry as I do, and I have a feeling this is going to erupt onto the streets. What have we done?
The politicians did not do their job – i.e. represent the electorate that put them in power in the first place. MPs are supposed to represent their constituents; this ill-thought out referendum passed the buck. The in/out of the EU was a massively complex question that few of us could fully understand or had time to investigate and truly understand: that's the sort of thing that are MPs are supposed to be doing.
A massively expensive, badly planned referendum about the EU was put in place as a political carrot to ensure re-election for the present Government. It backfired. It is going to cause vast upheavals in the UK and there will be many "ordinary" people, whichever way they voted, who feel let down and whose hopes will have been dashed.
I only know 4 couples that voted leave. Three of the are blatant racists and made no bones about that being their reason for wanting out. I'm sure that racism was a large enough influence to swing the vote to leave. If my assumption is correct (am I believe it is ) that means the result was influenced by an illegal opinion.
The campaign politicians are responsible for the way they represented their cases, far too much talk of immigration and not enough logical thinking of how the re structure of our economy would be feasible. Immigration was never the real issue but the public seemed to latch onto this. It remains to be seen how exactly the people in power will actually sort this all out whilst keeping their promises to the people.
I too hoped I would wake up and find yesterday was just a bad dream Jane. I have watched people being interviewed and giving the reason for voting to leave because they had had enough of Caneron or to 'get our country back' or take 'control'. Someone this morning said she wants our farmers to be able to grow our food again!! Getting back to a little and poor but independednt Britain.
The ignorance of people in the UK is sad but look what they have done - it even affected the markets in Australia - on the first day. This result has had world wide consequences straight away. Many people will just see their hopes and dreams dashed and not be able to just get on with it.
The referendum was unnecessary and by the looks of it ruined the Britain so many wanted to get control of.
Revolution is part of life, part of history. I guess I'm a 'head in the sand' type of person as Im just not worried. We elect our politicians and Im happy to let them do their job. I don't understand much more so good luck to them. I shall watch tv with interest in the future. We might all be surprised, the uk managed in the past without being in the EU so why not again in the modern world.
I agree that the reasons for voting out have been varied. I have heard no logical arguments for leaving. People who have not informed themselves of the issues have been manipulated by rabble-rousers. Boris Johnson has shown himself to be very clever in persuading turkeys to vote for Christmas. My son told me that a colleague thought he was voting for immigrants to leave the UK!!
Suggestions as how to go from here. Until Parliament implements article 50 we can remain in the EU. I suggest asking MPs to ignore the result. It was very close and many decisions were based on lies. It was not pointed out that the economy would be so bad that the £350 million a week would have vanished even before paying for a new hospital a week. The NHS may not survive in its present form. Net immigration may go down but that will be because of a mass exodus from this country by those with the opportunity. The main reason to ignore the result is that if we invoke it there will be revolution. The young will rise up. Why should all their futures be shattered by the this misguided referendum? Will there be much trouble from the Leave camp? Only from the few rabble-rousers.
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