Kissing Trump was a mural on a wall in Bristol.
Was it Banksy?
Bristol voted Remain.
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Ok, we are out, what now?
(840 Posts)The vote is in, we are to leave the EU. Deep breath, everyone, a new start begins today.
What needs to be done now? No recriminations allowed, no ranting, please. Constructive ideas only for what steps we should take now - we meaning the government, the legal bods, the negotiators, the banks, large and small busineeses, social departments, and orfinary people?
Bear in mind that it will take two years to settle the divorce details, then we have to begin creating a new relationship with the single market of the EU, if we are to buy and sell anything with them, after which new partners might will want to negotiate deals with us. Time scale unknown, but likely to take years. They could be lean years, our credit rating has gone down instantly, and our £ notes won't buy as much abroad at the moment. Better get a taste for British-grown food.
Meanwhile through and after the divorce we have to feed the children (without any alimony, just on our own efforts, and without the inlaws helping us to get orders any more)
The au pairs and the chars will soon go home, which means we'll have to do things ourselves which we used to let them do - look after our aged relations, nurse us after operations, and so on. On the plus side, that should mean we will be needed in those jobs, if we want them.
MargaretX
Interesting, thank you for replying. Prost!
All day I have been trying to think of anything positive about this, elegran, but as some have said, it's a bit difficult when we are still trying to believe it and are feeling so disappointed and worried about what is happening to our country. I have been proud to be a citizen of the EU as well as a Scot and a Brit, but am now very sad that that is being taken away from me. What I have come up with is the possibility that we might not have to put things like railway franchises out to tender and be able to choose the best people to run our railways rather than whoever will pay the most - I know that this is unlikely while we will probably have a right-wing Westminster government for some time, but it cheered me up to think of it.
To paraphrase mccculloch's post about fascists and racists, not all well-educated people voted Remain, but the proportion of well-educated people voting Remain was higher than the proportion voting Leave.
Apparently Germany, France and Italy have a greater say in our exit than the smaller countries.
Thank you Monica
So I think I am correct in saying the figures are produced by pollsters not say by a body such as the government. Therefore the figures cannot be used as a FACT.
I am not arguing as to whether they are right or wrong I was interested to know who, what and how they were produced as so many people rely on them as factual information. I would think they are not usually far off the mark. Cheers.
Kissing Trump was a mural on a wall in Bristol.
That's an old one, granjura. Yesterday he was kissing a fish. That wasn't a cartoon!
POGS I can only tell you about what I heard last week about the export of cars. I think that Herr Schultz is more powerful than the german business organisation and the Germans are nothing if not imaginative where business is concerned.They will come to some other conclusion and there has been trade with India mentioned.
I don't believe them that they don't have a Plan B but they will exert pressure to keep the status quo with the Uk because it suits everybody.
In the end the UK may have to pay - as much or more than they used to. But now they want to make their own laws( what laws I wonder) and now they can. The man on the street is now in charge of making his own laws, he has his country back. This was always a mystery to me. I live in the EU, I feel that the laws governing my life are made in Stuttgart by elected representatives and my country is mine because I live in it and pay my taxes. I didn't have to leave the EU for that.
These bon mots were fed to the man on the street and in the end he voted LEAVE.
Totally irrelevant- apart that it has given me an insight into the reaction from all over the world, via them, their messages, and also via French, German, Italian and Swiss channels today. Perhaps some in the UK have not had much exposure to the world's reactions.
Cartoons of Boris kissing Trump have just arrived.
To coin a rather over-used phrase:
Keep Calm and Carry On
All those people everyone loves to hate - the politicians, the banks, the legal bods - will be steering the way forward.
(answering the OP)
Why is it relevant that you have friends and family all over the world, granjura? Of course other countries are going to mock the UK and publish witty (sme ore than others) cartoons - we'd do the same about them. Nothing new there...
I think a lot of people on here need to calm down. Just look at the countries that arnt in the EU. They are doing absolutely fine
So here is one that has just arrived from Czech R:
Tanja Hilton's photo.
I said tv channels from France, Germany, Holland, the USA, all over the world- and the Press, all over the world. Absolutely choker with mockery- about lemmings, and an Island floating off - and so many more.
This one just arrived from a French friend (who is a anglophile and lived there many years). Be sarchastic is you wish- but yes, I do, have friends and family all over the world. Inescapable fact:
Cartoon didn't copy sorry-
POGS YouGov have a very good explanantion of how they undetake their surveys at yougov.co.uk/news/2016/05/21/assessing-impact-turnout-eu-referendum/ while another site explains the significance of margins of error. www.comres.co.uk/our-work/margin-of-error-calculator/. Whatever reputable pollsters do, it is not guess work.
However DD, a television sub-titler, whose job means that she sees and listens carefully to an awful lot of news every day has set herself up as a pollster who undertakes no interviews, speaks to no voters and ignores eerybody elses opinion. She also puts her money where her mouth is and places money on her predictions. She got the general election vote last year spot-on and the same with Brexit. She usually wagers £2 on the result and won nearly £100 last year and £11 last night. Her big advantage is that she is politically neutral and has no natural affinity to any party.
No try to stir Pogs. You know exactly what I am talking about
WW
Are they Bastards in your opinion who voted Leave in Durham, Derby, Sunderland, Merthyr Tydfil, Swansea, Plymouth etc.
ana these bastards were the ones that forced the referendum, by threatening to to jump ship to UKIP These bastards were the ones that gave Major so much grief. These bastards gave Thatcher a hard time over Maastricht. 40 bloody years.
Further up someone mentioned doing a trade deal and then invoking article 50 - has to be the other way round - no serious trade talks can start till we are out and according to the EU politicians today they have no intention of giving the UK an easy ride or special concessions. During the night someone from BMW was interviewed and said of course they would want to sell cars to the UK but maybe with tariffs!
Way back when the referendum was announced the EU ministers also said there would be a committee set up to deal with the exit and the UK would not actually have a seat in the committee - we shall see if they stick to that.
Going out in a few minutes to meet up with the French locals and hopefully have a nice evening together.!!
You asked for positive ideas about the future and I'm waiting for the Brexiters to tell us what is constructive about leaving and what positive things they hoped for. I haven't heard any either before or after the vote. I'm afraid I can't suggest anything good.
the outers never accepted our European status and were a pain in the ass for 40 years...
Really? Why didn't we hear anything about this during the campaign? I wonder how many people knew anything about grudges beng kept for so long. I voted to stay out, but accepted the majority vote and got on with my life!
Margaret X
What is the feeling in Germany regarding the German DBI comment please.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36596060
If we were robots we would. But we're not. Many of us feel as if we're in mourning. By all means be cheerful and practical but don't assume we're all ready to do that.
No of course not. I am talking about the Tories known as " the bastards"
And no I am in no mood to move on. Where to? And no I will not stop criticising the vote.
Yes I have been watching the TV granjura but obviously I haven't been in touch with all your friends from all over the world. 
From now on, just out of interest, I will make a note of all those countries who think we're a laughing stock.
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