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Ok, we are out, what now?

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Elegran Fri 24-Jun-16 07:49:53

The vote is in, we are to leave the EU. Deep breath, everyone, a new start begins today.

What needs to be done now? No recriminations allowed, no ranting, please. Constructive ideas only for what steps we should take now - we meaning the government, the legal bods, the negotiators, the banks, large and small busineeses, social departments, and orfinary people?

Bear in mind that it will take two years to settle the divorce details, then we have to begin creating a new relationship with the single market of the EU, if we are to buy and sell anything with them, after which new partners might will want to negotiate deals with us. Time scale unknown, but likely to take years. They could be lean years, our credit rating has gone down instantly, and our £ notes won't buy as much abroad at the moment. Better get a taste for British-grown food.

Meanwhile through and after the divorce we have to feed the children (without any alimony, just on our own efforts, and without the inlaws helping us to get orders any more)

The au pairs and the chars will soon go home, which means we'll have to do things ourselves which we used to let them do - look after our aged relations, nurse us after operations, and so on. On the plus side, that should mean we will be needed in those jobs, if we want them.

daphnedill Fri 24-Jun-16 12:06:57

@TriciaF

Yes, but if you make a mistake in a general election, you only have to live with it for five years.

This is final and will affect the future of the UK for decades.

daphnedill Fri 24-Jun-16 12:05:22

Ah well! You noticed the fatal flaw.

But that's what BREXITERs have been promising. Surely you're not suggesting it was all hot air! I'm truly shocked.

What are they going to do with the £350 million a day?

Elegran Fri 24-Jun-16 12:03:49

Candelle It should have been OK if it looked Ok in preview. Try putting [[ ]] round it and see what happens.

Elegran Fri 24-Jun-16 12:02:21

daphnedll Yes, to all of that. Now how about the other side - drawing money IN to pay for it all. How do we set about that? That will be the difficult bit. If it had been easy, it would have been done long ago and we would all be saying what a wonderful government we have.

Candelle Fri 24-Jun-16 11:56:45

Unbelievable! In preview, it all seems correct but when submitted, the link loses the prefix of:

https://

Candelle Fri 24-Jun-16 11:54:48

Not being very 'teccy' I don't understand why I can't give (i.e. copy) the full address of this petition. It should read:

petition.parliament.uk.petitions.131215

I hope this works for those who may like to use it.

TriciaF Fri 24-Jun-16 11:52:50

Anyway the media and online forums will have plenty to talk about for the next few years - lots of speculation.
We were surprised, but that's what happened at the last general election - a last minute change.

daphnedill Fri 24-Jun-16 11:48:03

What now?

Promises must be kept. Money intended for the EU must be put into the NHS and every planned EU grant must be replaced with money from the Treasury.

There must be no more austerity.

Erasmus money must be replaced, so that schools and universities can continue to promote language learning and UK students can study abroad.

Immigration must fall, so we would expect to see fewer foreigners working here. Wages would have to rise along with working conditions, because there would be a shortage of labour. All employees should be encouraged and allowed to join a union, so that wages and working conditions are maintained.

The government should guarantee benefits to every employee whose company decides to withdraw from the UK to mainland Europe.

Councils must be allowed to build housing, because markets have failed.

Action must be taken against tax evasion and avoidance, including abolishing higher rate tax relief on pension contributions.

There must be massive investment (billions) in former manufacturing areas. We will no longer be able to rely on foreign investment, so this will have to come from raising taxes.

TTIP must be avoided at all costs - not likely to happen, because it was only the EU which was preventing the UK from signing up enthusiastically.

There must be strenuous efforts made to avoid becoming an American puppet state.

Forget Canada - it wants to join the EU, not the UK.

Massive investment in social care, because we will no longer be able to rely on cheap care workers.

Compensation to farmers and fishermen for money lost from the EU.

£1000 per person given to Wales (actually, forget that, they don't want it).

Billions put to one side for negotiations (in addition to the £600bn the BoE has already promised).

That's just for starters....

Nonnie1 Fri 24-Jun-16 11:45:29

Ah, well obieone Now you are talking. I do not hate anyone. I don't have it in me nor do I have the time, but I do dislike people who hate on other people for the sake of it.

I dilike people who abuse and kill their children, and I dislike people who kill others because they are different or disabled, but that's another subject entirely

obieone Fri 24-Jun-16 11:44:57

Bluecat, I would like to give you a hug flowers
I understand some of your concerns.

Personally, I and a lot of others think that medium and long term, we will be better off economically.

obieone Fri 24-Jun-16 11:41:47

I agree with virtually everything you have said Nonni1, but do agree with others that patriotism is not racism.

Racism has always been the wrong word, for the majority of people. There is however a lot of xenophobia.

Nonnie1 Fri 24-Jun-16 11:41:46

Granny2016

You misunderstand me. Like you I have many friends of different culture, religious persuasion and a past partner also. My children are of mixed race.

You can call it what you like, loyalty, patriotism, or a national pride. It's all the same until you object to something and then it's called racist.

To me, it's just words and we are all loyal to our country of origin

whitewave Fri 24-Jun-16 11:40:39

DH has just reminded me of Patel!!!!!

Jude57 Fri 24-Jun-16 11:39:34

Be positive. We are a great nation. Yes we will be a bit worse off for a little time but we have given the EU as much as they have given us. Now we sell our skills and knowledge to the whole rest of the world. We still welcome people from the rest of the world, we still have the oldest and best democracy in the world and our allies still respect and value us. The EU is not the entire world. The financial markets are responding to predictions pop gloom, not reflecting actual gloom. And haven't we seen enough to know that people will buy as quickly as they sell when the dust settles.

Bluecat Fri 24-Jun-16 11:39:21

I'm struggling very hard to come up with anything positive. In fact, I am on the verge of tears. The only positive thing I can think of is - "move to Scotland and hope they declare independence"? Too old to emigrate, and where could you go anyway? The US is likely to get Donald Trump for President and we will no longer have the right to live in Europe. So we are stuck here, where we can watch our economy crash and burn...

Sorry, I want to be hopeful but I just can't see anything good about this insane decision. I'm a bit anxious about its effect on pensions but more worried about the future of our children and grandchildren. What have we done to them?

Granny2016 Fri 24-Jun-16 11:35:38

Those saying we are all racist are ridiculous.
I voted out and have immigrant neighbours,friends and a past partner.
I would say that the vast majority have such relationships and give little thought to it.
Patriotism is not racism,and it certainly is not part of the human condition.

hicaz46 Fri 24-Jun-16 11:31:20

We need to try to unite the UK. At the moment there is a very clear North/South divide and as a Southerner living in the East Midlands I am fearful of what the future holds. Over the next few years we will see house prices rise, the pound struggle, xenophobia set in and the NH S as we know it probably disappear. Oh and Scotland will have passport controls on it's borders as it will want to leave UK and stay in Europe. As to solutions I don't have any, the vote leavers have seen to that.

Nonnie1 Fri 24-Jun-16 11:30:29

For a long time I have felt that we have been dismissed as unimportant. Yesterday we exercised the right to regain control.

Has anyone noticed how other people criticise us whenever they get the chance but we are not allowed to do that in case we are called racist.?

And.. this is not going to make me popular, but I dislke Nicola Sturgeon intensely.

Granny2016 Fri 24-Jun-16 11:29:22

I note that Gibraltar voted almost 96% to remain in the EU.
It will be interesting to see if they now wish to be attached to the UK.

Anniebach Fri 24-Jun-16 11:28:18

Speak for yourself Nonnie, I am not racist, I despise racism , it has nothing to do with being patriotic

mutti Fri 24-Jun-16 11:25:31

Boot out bloody Boris!

Nonnie1 Fri 24-Jun-16 11:23:22

Anniebach Everyone is racist. Other countries call it being patriotic.

It's part of the human condition.

grannyactivist Fri 24-Jun-16 11:20:23

Here's an initial response from Spain who have called for/proposed/demanded (depending on your news source) joint control of Gibraltar:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36618796

Candelle Fri 24-Jun-16 11:20:09

Apologies, I didn't give the full web address for the petition. It should read:

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

Anniebach Fri 24-Jun-16 11:18:33

We are racist, always have been, now we can be openly racist