Ok, we are out, what now?

Surely not Durhamjen - didn't they say we were "taking back control" - clearly we'll have to tell the EU what we will settle for.

Boris, Dave, Andrea, Nige, Michael and others said so, so it must be right eh?

Gove has just promised us £100m a week to the NHS by 2020, now that we are on the way out of the EU.

www.theguardian.com/uk

Gove has spoken, and to paraphrase Capt. Piquard of the Starship Enterprise, surely that will "make it so"!

Given the state of Britain today, Andy Beckett's column in the Guardian today fills me with much trepidation...

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/01/margaret-thatcher-brexit-thatcherism-leave-1980s

Chilling.

But once they have triggered leave, they won't be able to negotiate will they? I'm not going to support this disaster, the Brexiters can get on with it. Im not holding my breath about the £100m a week, we'll be in such an economic mess, but we'll hold them to account. Didn't Gove in the campaign say we should be more like Albania? looks like that might come to pass.

I know many here don't believe in lisening to experts- Gove didn't want you to, Farage neither. But this man is an expert- and he warned people but wasn't heard. And now he is explaining the consequences, calmly and expertly- so I'd urge you to take the time to listen to him:

youtu.be/0dosmKwrAbI

He supported lots of things that fullfact have been saying and he also debunked the claim about experts quite forcefully.
Those people who should read it will not, though.

And at least it's only 20 minutes long!

Badenkate, I didn't use Churchill, as an excuse for anything. I take exception, to the suggestion. I voted to remain, but that is irrelevant. All I said, was we had a wonderful leader, which we've been sadly lacking for decades. He wouldn't have listened to, or countenanced, all the whinging and moaning, I've read on thes pages

Thanks for the link, dj

www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dosmKwrAbI&feature=youtu.be

It's what every sensible person was saying.

I'm terribly sorry for obviously upsetting you Balini: I clearly misunderstood the point you were making in your post.

Well, I'm not going to apologise for being a moaning whinger now that Project Fear is becoming Project Reality.....

Neither am I and I'm not going to stop believing in the values which led to me my voting for Remain.

I'm going to carry on moaning as well. I didn't vote for this situation, I wasn't taken in by the spin and the lies, so I'm damned if I am going to join the fight now. Them what wanted it can sort it out!

Why do people want us to stop moaning about the lies and deceit that got us into the mess we are in now?
They might be able to forget about it; I can't.

I suspect it is to make them feel better. Having got what they wanted they have suddenly realised it isn't the goose that lays golden eggs.

I'm not apologising for moaning - I think all those of us that thought about what leaving the EU would mean have every right to moan loudly. But in some way I seem to have upset Balini's feelings with a combination of Churchill and WW2

I don't think anybody cares one jot about the moaning! Moan away!

I think it is the vitriolic , abusive language that some engage in / have engaged in that is so depressing and some would like to see the back of.

It doesn't do anything for debate but stifle it. It doesn't do anything for putting 'your point of view' forward, constructively. It serves only the individual to air their anger and for others to join on the bandwagon.

The points raised which question the outcome , plausibly give vent to the upset caused , understandably show concern, fear and worry for the future are drowned out, lost , to a diatribe of ventilating abusive , nasty language.

Vitriolic abusive language- abusive nasty language. Please show me where?

I'd like to see it too.

Maybe its the "damned" if you think that's vitriolic I apologise (but I must say, you must have led a sheltered life)

I sympathise with those who are angry that we have voted OUT.
It reminds me of how angry I felt when we voted IN to the Common Market.

I almost wrote IN to the EU,but of course,we were never privileged with that choice.

I don't think you really do understand how some of us feel, Granny2016. It's not just the single market, but the fact that so much has been released from Pandora's Box and the fact that Leave lied quite deliberately without any plan at all. This was the biggest constitutional decision most of us will have to make in our lifetime and it was treated like the final of Strictly.

I voted in 1973 too and remember the arguments. It was nothing like the latest referendum. The scare stories of 1973 (British sausages will be banned; we'll all be forced to eat French cheese) never did come to pass.

In post-BREXIT Britain the elites will run amok. What did the people who voted Leave expect?

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/01/brexit-britain-elites-run-amok

True DD some of us do find it hard to understand - not the fact that you are disappointed with the result, but all the rest that has been so evident from your posts.