Ok, we are out, what now?

In post-BREXIT Britain the elites will run amok
daphnedill surely they have been doing that for the past 25+ years!
The bankers, the famous and not so famous tax avoiders, the Philip Greens, the politicians of all parties abusing the expenses system etc.

Who are you talking for, Anya?
I'll get told off for that.
For whom are you talking, Anya?
Many of us find daphne's posts very illuminating and informative. I can probably give you a list if you like.

@Jalima

But why blame the EU? The EU has actually put the brakes on some of the worst forms of abuse. I don't trust our own government to do anything. In fact, they are more likely to be open to bribes and back room deals.

This is about something much bigger than politicians' expenses (again nothing to do with the EU), but the very elite Leave voters thought they were voting against.

ps to my post above:

This is the reason why so many people voted Brexit I think - I was talking to someone the other day who said she and everyone she knew had voted Brexit. She said her reason was not immigration, it was the Brussels elite and their excesses that they all loathed.
As a Welsh person she wanted to know exactly what people like the Kinnocks had managed to do for the Welsh valleys - still depressed - after all the power and privilege the Lord and Lady Kinnock of the Valleys had in the EU 'feathering their own nests' as she put it.

Her words not mine.

Excellent article, daphne. I do not think Jalima has read it.

The bit about the EU trying to stop Blair bombing Iraq has had little airing.

So instead of the Brussels elite, they want to be ruled by the Tory party elite. Did you explain that?

I'm probably talking for the silent majority who CBA'd to post on threads like this ( because they have more sense) as opposed to those brave souls who occasionally pop their head above the parapet and dare to interupt your cosy little whinges.

This is about something much bigger than politicians' expenses (again nothing to do with the EU)
I think she meant the EU politicians', commissioners' expenses and the whole extravagant set-up and the excesses over there. She mentioned the unaccountability of their expenses, their lavish taxpayer funded restaurants etc etc.
She said her information was from first-hand.

I should have made it clearer dd.
Only telling you what she told me to give you an insight into why she and others she mentioned voted the way they did, and certainly they and nobody they knew had treated it like 'Strictly'.

So instead of the Brussels elite, they want to be ruled by the Tory party elite. Did you explain that?
*durhamjen^ I think they realise that there is an election here every five years.

At least I am sure they must do, they are not daft.

The Labour party had better pull itself together then, and the Lib Dems aim for a resurgence!

Unless they do want the Tory party in for ever.

durhamjen Sat 02-Jul-16 12:45:53
Excellent article, daphne. I do not think Jalima has read it.

You didn't seem to have read my posts either djen - I did not say that that was what I thought, I was explaining what the Welsh woman/lady/person said about why she and her friends had voted Brexit. Apparently the Welsh Assembly has more Labour members than Tories I think, but apparently they do have their very own Welsh Labour EU elite about whom they were all particularly angry.

Remind me not to post again trying explaining to another poster why some people apparently voted Brexit:
This was the biggest constitutional decision most of us will have to make in our lifetime and it was treated like the final of Strictly..
These people knew it was the biggest constitutional decision most of us will have to make in our lifetime, thought about it very carefully and then decided.

It was interesting to hear the pointS of view and I thought some other posters may have been interested to know why they voted as they did.

If this is just a little chat between a couple or so posters who don't want to hear what others said who may not be on GN, please let me know and I will go and do something more interesting.

Jalima, I couldn't possibly have read your post about the Welsh woman because we posted within 30 seconds of each other, so your post was not up there before I wrote my comment, which I wrote about your 12.40 post criticising daphne's post.

And you haven't read the link either, have you?

Labour has 29 seats and Tory 11 seats in the Senydd Jalima

I did have a skim read djen
but the photo at the top put me off

Thanks anniebach

what was Jerry thinking of

djen my 12.40 post was not criticising daphne's post either, rather it was agreeing with her but also pointing out that they elite have been running amok for years and years!

I thought you were concerned about that too

"Instead, we will be continuing as we have been for decades, pandering to the elites we’re supposed to be escaping. The elites decide how much they are prepared to contribute in tax towards the social and physical infrastructure they operate in. They’d rather do it privately, bleeding interest for their chiselling loans out of the public sector. They will always have free movement for themselves, and the threat that they will make use of it. It’s so easy for them to get their way."

From the article that you couldn't be a**ed to read.
I am concerned. Concerned enough to read the article and agree with daphne.

@Jalima

But leaving the EU doesn't help - that was my point. The EU has done more to try and regulate tax havens than the British government ever has. If people voted as a protest against the elite, they have achieved nothing. I personally know two people who voted Leave for that reason - one is an wannabe anarchist and the other a hedge-fund manager. I don't identify with either.

the silent majority who CBA'd to post on threads like this ( because they have more sense) as opposed to those brave souls who occasionally pop their head above the parapet and dare to interupt

Very true
Discussion, debate is one thing, but there is so much personal abuse on some threads that it makes one sigh and CBA as you say Anya.

I am so shallow I should not post at all.
Hippetty hop, off to do some gardening and talk to the plants.

So where's this personal abuse?

If people voted as a protest against the elite, they have achieved nothing.

daphnedill, yes
I was just pointing out reasons I was given by other people for voting Brexit.
Perhaps they thought that one lot of 'domestic' elite was enough without funding the EU elite too. Who knows?

I considered those reasons too and spent a lot of time thinking about it all - surprisingly.

so where's this personal abuse?

Irony or what?

I wasn't referring to your posts daphnedill

Here is someone as angry as I am, and much more able to express his feelings:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/01/boris-johnson-and-michael-gove-betrayed-britain-over-brexit?CMP=fb_gu