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Ok, we are out, what now?

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Elegran Fri 24-Jun-16 07:49:53

The vote is in, we are to leave the EU. Deep breath, everyone, a new start begins today.

What needs to be done now? No recriminations allowed, no ranting, please. Constructive ideas only for what steps we should take now - we meaning the government, the legal bods, the negotiators, the banks, large and small busineeses, social departments, and orfinary people?

Bear in mind that it will take two years to settle the divorce details, then we have to begin creating a new relationship with the single market of the EU, if we are to buy and sell anything with them, after which new partners might will want to negotiate deals with us. Time scale unknown, but likely to take years. They could be lean years, our credit rating has gone down instantly, and our £ notes won't buy as much abroad at the moment. Better get a taste for British-grown food.

Meanwhile through and after the divorce we have to feed the children (without any alimony, just on our own efforts, and without the inlaws helping us to get orders any more)

The au pairs and the chars will soon go home, which means we'll have to do things ourselves which we used to let them do - look after our aged relations, nurse us after operations, and so on. On the plus side, that should mean we will be needed in those jobs, if we want them.

Elegran Fri 24-Jun-16 09:04:28

I never said it would improve people's lives. I said that as it is now decided, we have to work ^within that".

Have you any suggestions how we can make that work improve our lives, DD ? That is what is needed now - construction, not demolition and dereliction.

Alea Fri 24-Jun-16 09:01:19

I prepared two comments on my reaction to this morning's news and have had to delete them both as the words look so trite. I cannot really believe it, but yes, witnessing the bigotry and self-centredness of vast swathes of the great British public as articulated by the press - DT and DM like- I can all too readily see how it has happened.
I blame DC for a cheap electoral gimmick which has not merely bitten him in the bum, but kicked the rest of us in the teeth. I blame the politicians who have twisted this for their own career ends, I blame the press for stirring up this hornet's nest. But you know what else? We only have ourselves to blame. This was too big a decision to be treated like a vote on Strictly.
So DC is to stand down by October. Is he right to "fall on his sword", or having got us into this mess, is he taking the easy way out of steering the country through the choppy waters ahead.
Cynical, moi?

Elegran Fri 24-Jun-16 08:59:05

That last to anniebach

daphnedill Fri 24-Jun-16 08:58:44

How will leaving the EU improve people's lives?

whitewave Fri 24-Jun-16 08:58:22

We were told we were raising project fear -remember?

So are the money markets all part of this collusion? Perhaps we should now listen to Brexit when they say " no worry chaps" only temporary" can you ever remember the B of E ever making such a statement?

£250bn we are pouring in to steady the markets.

Elegran Fri 24-Jun-16 08:57:35

Yes we do. We have a say in who we elect to Parliament, we have contact email and postal adresses for them. We can write to newspapers and online forums. We can make a nuisance of ourselves on many levels. We can join groups who work to give practical help and/or advice where it is needed. Some of us already do all those things.

harrigran Fri 24-Jun-16 08:57:11

Elegran, ever the diplomat flowers

daphnedill Fri 24-Jun-16 08:55:04

@Elegran

So why did people deliberately make life difficult? How will leaving the EU improve people's lives?

daphnedill Fri 24-Jun-16 08:53:39

Elegran,

You seem to have missed the irony. The people who voted Leave won't get the jobs as negotiators, etc. It will be those faceless bureaucrats from Brussels and newly qualified Oxbridge graduates.

I wouldn't bet on the pound and markets settling within a few days. There is no precedent. Meanwhile the fat cat traders will be celebrating.

PS. My daughter is already an economist/negotiator and my son possibly has an internship at the Bank of England, so I'm not complaining, but they and I didn't vote Leave.

Anniebach Fri 24-Jun-16 08:52:05

We have no say in - what now ,

Elegran Fri 24-Jun-16 08:51:12

Losing a husband was out of my control too, and changed my life, but I decided it damn well wasn't going to wreck it.

I have to go places alone, do things for myself that he would always have done, and at some point I shall quite possibly die alone of an unexpected stroke or heart attack, as I don't have any chronic deseases that mean I am under constant medical attention.

This UK is a hell of a lot healthier than many others. We stand every chance of survival as a country, and we just have to look after one another if some of us are hard hit. We have done it before, we can do it again.

whitewave Fri 24-Jun-16 08:49:04

How bloody much is this result costing us!!!!!!!!

whitewave Fri 24-Jun-16 08:48:27

What affects us and the ordinary man is what is happening in the money markets. We have absolutely no control over that whatsoever. Listening Carney trying to steady the market and provide confidence shows how serious it could become.

whitewave Fri 24-Jun-16 08:43:36

Sometimes ele circumstances are outside our control.

Elegran Fri 24-Jun-16 08:41:50

DD Maybe the careers to encourage our grandchildren into are negotiators, lawyers and administrators!

Elegran Fri 24-Jun-16 08:40:04

DD It will not wreck our lives if we decide it is damn well not going to.

Elegran Fri 24-Jun-16 08:38:25

Jane10 Give it a few days and the pound will settle a bit, same with the stock exchange. They are up and down like a tart's drawers with every upset. It won't be instant, and it will take longer to return to where it was, but if we are seen to be acting positively confidence will return.

DD We can't strike any new deals, but we can put out feelers and set up skeleton deals to be fleshed out later. The sooner we do that the better. The worst thing we can do is look as though we have been wiped out by the change in direction. Keep taking constructive action and something will be built!

daphnedill Fri 24-Jun-16 08:36:16

OK! Apologies! So what is positive about leaving the EU? How will it improve our lives?

harrigran Fri 24-Jun-16 08:35:22

Cameron has resigned.

daphnedill Fri 24-Jun-16 08:35:15

Look on the bright side, whitewave. The British government is going to have to employ THOUSANDS of negotiators, lawyers and administrators. There will be enough work for them for at least a decade - and then we'll have to replace all the EU agencies which were doing work for the UK, so that will keep the bureaucrats in work for ages! Errrmmm! Shame there won't be enough money to pay them and give money to the NHS, etc.

whitewave Fri 24-Jun-16 08:34:38

Watch the ECB move in on our Financial Services now

durhamjen Fri 24-Jun-16 08:34:13

Daniel Hannan said that there will be no immediate £350 million a week. He'll still have his job for years.

Anya Fri 24-Jun-16 08:32:52

There are other threads for venting on.

I think Elegran has shown herself to be a positive thinker by saying 'OK, that's what's been decided, so what's the best way forward'

durhamjen Fri 24-Jun-16 08:32:42

But they do not like experts, elegran.

CelticRose, builders have lost 40% on the stock exchange, so even fewer houses from now on. They'll hang onto the land until the stock market rises again.

Jane10 Fri 24-Jun-16 08:32:15

Sorry I absolutely cannot just take a deep breath and recover from this so immediately. What do you expect us to say when we're so clearly up shit creek without a paddle? Just look at the value of the pound and the massive plunge in the markets. The turkeys have voted for Christmas and it'll be a pretty thin one all round.