Ok, we are out, what now?

I did have a skim read djen
but the photo at the top put me off

Thanks anniebach

Labour has 29 seats and Tory 11 seats in the Senydd Jalima

Jalima, I couldn't possibly have read your post about the Welsh woman because we posted within 30 seconds of each other, so your post was not up there before I wrote my comment, which I wrote about your 12.40 post criticising daphne's post.

And you haven't read the link either, have you?

durhamjen Sat 02-Jul-16 12:45:53
Excellent article, daphne. I do not think Jalima has read it.

You didn't seem to have read my posts either djen - I did not say that that was what I thought, I was explaining what the Welsh woman/lady/person said about why she and her friends had voted Brexit. Apparently the Welsh Assembly has more Labour members than Tories I think, but apparently they do have their very own Welsh Labour EU elite about whom they were all particularly angry.

Remind me not to post again trying explaining to another poster why some people apparently voted Brexit:
This was the biggest constitutional decision most of us will have to make in our lifetime and it was treated like the final of Strictly..
These people knew it was the biggest constitutional decision most of us will have to make in our lifetime, thought about it very carefully and then decided.

It was interesting to hear the pointS of view and I thought some other posters may have been interested to know why they voted as they did.

If this is just a little chat between a couple or so posters who don't want to hear what others said who may not be on GN, please let me know and I will go and do something more interesting.

The Labour party had better pull itself together then, and the Lib Dems aim for a resurgence!

Unless they do want the Tory party in for ever.

So instead of the Brussels elite, they want to be ruled by the Tory party elite. Did you explain that?
*durhamjen^ I think they realise that there is an election here every five years.

At least I am sure they must do, they are not daft.

This is about something much bigger than politicians' expenses (again nothing to do with the EU)
I think she meant the EU politicians', commissioners' expenses and the whole extravagant set-up and the excesses over there. She mentioned the unaccountability of their expenses, their lavish taxpayer funded restaurants etc etc.
She said her information was from first-hand.

I should have made it clearer dd.
Only telling you what she told me to give you an insight into why she and others she mentioned voted the way they did, and certainly they and nobody they knew had treated it like 'Strictly'.

I'm probably talking for the silent majority who CBA'd to post on threads like this ( because they have more sense) as opposed to those brave souls who occasionally pop their head above the parapet and dare to interupt your cosy little whinges.

So instead of the Brussels elite, they want to be ruled by the Tory party elite. Did you explain that?

Excellent article, daphne. I do not think Jalima has read it.

The bit about the EU trying to stop Blair bombing Iraq has had little airing.

ps to my post above:

This is the reason why so many people voted Brexit I think - I was talking to someone the other day who said she and everyone she knew had voted Brexit. She said her reason was not immigration, it was the Brussels elite and their excesses that they all loathed.
As a Welsh person she wanted to know exactly what people like the Kinnocks had managed to do for the Welsh valleys - still depressed - after all the power and privilege the Lord and Lady Kinnock of the Valleys had in the EU 'feathering their own nests' as she put it.

Her words not mine.

@Jalima

But why blame the EU? The EU has actually put the brakes on some of the worst forms of abuse. I don't trust our own government to do anything. In fact, they are more likely to be open to bribes and back room deals.

This is about something much bigger than politicians' expenses (again nothing to do with the EU), but the very elite Leave voters thought they were voting against.

Who are you talking for, Anya?
I'll get told off for that.
For whom are you talking, Anya?
Many of us find daphne's posts very illuminating and informative. I can probably give you a list if you like.

In post-BREXIT Britain the elites will run amok
daphnedill surely they have been doing that for the past 25+ years!
The bankers, the famous and not so famous tax avoiders, the Philip Greens, the politicians of all parties abusing the expenses system etc.

True DD some of us do find it hard to understand - not the fact that you are disappointed with the result, but all the rest that has been so evident from your posts.

In post-BREXIT Britain the elites will run amok. What did the people who voted Leave expect?

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/01/brexit-britain-elites-run-amok

I don't think you really do understand how some of us feel, Granny2016. It's not just the single market, but the fact that so much has been released from Pandora's Box and the fact that Leave lied quite deliberately without any plan at all. This was the biggest constitutional decision most of us will have to make in our lifetime and it was treated like the final of Strictly.

I voted in 1973 too and remember the arguments. It was nothing like the latest referendum. The scare stories of 1973 (British sausages will be banned; we'll all be forced to eat French cheese) never did come to pass.

I sympathise with those who are angry that we have voted OUT.
It reminds me of how angry I felt when we voted IN to the Common Market.

I almost wrote IN to the EU,but of course,we were never privileged with that choice.

Maybe its the "damned" if you think that's vitriolic I apologise (but I must say, you must have led a sheltered life)

I'd like to see it too.

Vitriolic abusive language- abusive nasty language. Please show me where?

I don't think anybody cares one jot about the moaning! Moan away!

I think it is the vitriolic , abusive language that some engage in / have engaged in that is so depressing and some would like to see the back of.

It doesn't do anything for debate but stifle it. It doesn't do anything for putting 'your point of view' forward, constructively. It serves only the individual to air their anger and for others to join on the bandwagon.

The points raised which question the outcome , plausibly give vent to the upset caused , understandably show concern, fear and worry for the future are drowned out, lost , to a diatribe of ventilating abusive , nasty language.

I'm not apologising for moaning - I think all those of us that thought about what leaving the EU would mean have every right to moan loudly. But in some way I seem to have upset Balini's feelings with a combination of Churchill and WW2

I suspect it is to make them feel better. Having got what they wanted they have suddenly realised it isn't the goose that lays golden eggs.

Why do people want us to stop moaning about the lies and deceit that got us into the mess we are in now?
They might be able to forget about it; I can't.