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Ok, we are out, what now?

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Elegran Fri 24-Jun-16 07:49:53

The vote is in, we are to leave the EU. Deep breath, everyone, a new start begins today.

What needs to be done now? No recriminations allowed, no ranting, please. Constructive ideas only for what steps we should take now - we meaning the government, the legal bods, the negotiators, the banks, large and small busineeses, social departments, and orfinary people?

Bear in mind that it will take two years to settle the divorce details, then we have to begin creating a new relationship with the single market of the EU, if we are to buy and sell anything with them, after which new partners might will want to negotiate deals with us. Time scale unknown, but likely to take years. They could be lean years, our credit rating has gone down instantly, and our £ notes won't buy as much abroad at the moment. Better get a taste for British-grown food.

Meanwhile through and after the divorce we have to feed the children (without any alimony, just on our own efforts, and without the inlaws helping us to get orders any more)

The au pairs and the chars will soon go home, which means we'll have to do things ourselves which we used to let them do - look after our aged relations, nurse us after operations, and so on. On the plus side, that should mean we will be needed in those jobs, if we want them.

Jude57 Fri 24-Jun-16 11:39:34

Be positive. We are a great nation. Yes we will be a bit worse off for a little time but we have given the EU as much as they have given us. Now we sell our skills and knowledge to the whole rest of the world. We still welcome people from the rest of the world, we still have the oldest and best democracy in the world and our allies still respect and value us. The EU is not the entire world. The financial markets are responding to predictions pop gloom, not reflecting actual gloom. And haven't we seen enough to know that people will buy as quickly as they sell when the dust settles.

whitewave Fri 24-Jun-16 11:40:39

DH has just reminded me of Patel!!!!!

Nonnie1 Fri 24-Jun-16 11:41:46

Granny2016

You misunderstand me. Like you I have many friends of different culture, religious persuasion and a past partner also. My children are of mixed race.

You can call it what you like, loyalty, patriotism, or a national pride. It's all the same until you object to something and then it's called racist.

To me, it's just words and we are all loyal to our country of origin

obieone Fri 24-Jun-16 11:41:47

I agree with virtually everything you have said Nonni1, but do agree with others that patriotism is not racism.

Racism has always been the wrong word, for the majority of people. There is however a lot of xenophobia.

obieone Fri 24-Jun-16 11:44:57

Bluecat, I would like to give you a hug flowers
I understand some of your concerns.

Personally, I and a lot of others think that medium and long term, we will be better off economically.

Nonnie1 Fri 24-Jun-16 11:45:29

Ah, well obieone Now you are talking. I do not hate anyone. I don't have it in me nor do I have the time, but I do dislike people who hate on other people for the sake of it.

I dilike people who abuse and kill their children, and I dislike people who kill others because they are different or disabled, but that's another subject entirely

daphnedill Fri 24-Jun-16 11:48:03

What now?

Promises must be kept. Money intended for the EU must be put into the NHS and every planned EU grant must be replaced with money from the Treasury.

There must be no more austerity.

Erasmus money must be replaced, so that schools and universities can continue to promote language learning and UK students can study abroad.

Immigration must fall, so we would expect to see fewer foreigners working here. Wages would have to rise along with working conditions, because there would be a shortage of labour. All employees should be encouraged and allowed to join a union, so that wages and working conditions are maintained.

The government should guarantee benefits to every employee whose company decides to withdraw from the UK to mainland Europe.

Councils must be allowed to build housing, because markets have failed.

Action must be taken against tax evasion and avoidance, including abolishing higher rate tax relief on pension contributions.

There must be massive investment (billions) in former manufacturing areas. We will no longer be able to rely on foreign investment, so this will have to come from raising taxes.

TTIP must be avoided at all costs - not likely to happen, because it was only the EU which was preventing the UK from signing up enthusiastically.

There must be strenuous efforts made to avoid becoming an American puppet state.

Forget Canada - it wants to join the EU, not the UK.

Massive investment in social care, because we will no longer be able to rely on cheap care workers.

Compensation to farmers and fishermen for money lost from the EU.

£1000 per person given to Wales (actually, forget that, they don't want it).

Billions put to one side for negotiations (in addition to the £600bn the BoE has already promised).

That's just for starters....

TriciaF Fri 24-Jun-16 11:52:50

Anyway the media and online forums will have plenty to talk about for the next few years - lots of speculation.
We were surprised, but that's what happened at the last general election - a last minute change.

Candelle Fri 24-Jun-16 11:54:48

Not being very 'teccy' I don't understand why I can't give (i.e. copy) the full address of this petition. It should read:

petition.parliament.uk.petitions.131215

I hope this works for those who may like to use it.

Candelle Fri 24-Jun-16 11:56:45

Unbelievable! In preview, it all seems correct but when submitted, the link loses the prefix of:

https://

Elegran Fri 24-Jun-16 12:02:21

daphnedll Yes, to all of that. Now how about the other side - drawing money IN to pay for it all. How do we set about that? That will be the difficult bit. If it had been easy, it would have been done long ago and we would all be saying what a wonderful government we have.

Elegran Fri 24-Jun-16 12:03:49

Candelle It should have been OK if it looked Ok in preview. Try putting [[ ]] round it and see what happens.

daphnedill Fri 24-Jun-16 12:05:22

Ah well! You noticed the fatal flaw.

But that's what BREXITERs have been promising. Surely you're not suggesting it was all hot air! I'm truly shocked.

What are they going to do with the £350 million a day?

daphnedill Fri 24-Jun-16 12:06:57

@TriciaF

Yes, but if you make a mistake in a general election, you only have to live with it for five years.

This is final and will affect the future of the UK for decades.

Elegran Fri 24-Jun-16 12:07:01

It will melt into the bottomless abyss, DD

jeberdes83 Fri 24-Jun-16 12:09:14

Smaller things are being overlooked I think. The EU at present can overrule our judges and laws. There are many directives which affect small business, the fishing industry and so on. These are being ignored in the discussions regarding immigrants, and finance. I call them "smaller" issues , but surely they are important too.

homefarm Fri 24-Jun-16 12:09:57

What a lad of doom and gloom. The future will be what we make of it. Fear mongering will not help. Think positive and smile

daphnedill Fri 24-Jun-16 12:11:22

@Candelle

It's here

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

but petitions are down for maintenance :-(

Unfortunately, I think it's too late. The petition states 'We the undersigned call upon HM Government to implement a rule that if the remain or leave vote is less than 60% based a turnout less than 75% there should be another referendum.'

It should have been like that in the first place!

WilmaKnickersfit Fri 24-Jun-16 12:21:52

The petition was started last November.

Mollydolly Fri 24-Jun-16 12:22:28

Very well put

Nonnie1 Fri 24-Jun-16 12:23:24

Agree with homefarm. Best foot forward and all that jazz smile

daphnedill Fri 24-Jun-16 12:26:20

Look at what is already happening, homefarm. Some of us DO actually care about the future of our country.

I am so angry that just over half the country has voted for what is effectively a jump off a cliff with no actual plan for the future. And all for absolutely nothing, apart from costing a hell of a lot of money, losing jobs and ruining young people's future plans.

Nobody, absolutely nobody, has said how life will be improved by this stupid decision.

BRedhead59 Fri 24-Jun-16 12:29:09

Not what I voted for but the most important thing now is to stay friends.

MTDancer Fri 24-Jun-16 12:32:14

Do we have to have swearing? I find it very offensive

Nonnie1 Fri 24-Jun-16 12:34:47

daphnedill there were clear and concise arguments from both sides. There was also a lot of utter rubbish said by both sides. We made a decision based on what we heard and what was in our hearts and how we felt.

Nobody was right or wrong. I'm not worried, and I won't be worried until something happens to make me question my decision and I fear that would have happened either way.

We have to put our trust in self serving politicians and they almost always never deliver smile