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Ok, we are out, what now?

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Elegran Fri 24-Jun-16 07:49:53

The vote is in, we are to leave the EU. Deep breath, everyone, a new start begins today.

What needs to be done now? No recriminations allowed, no ranting, please. Constructive ideas only for what steps we should take now - we meaning the government, the legal bods, the negotiators, the banks, large and small busineeses, social departments, and orfinary people?

Bear in mind that it will take two years to settle the divorce details, then we have to begin creating a new relationship with the single market of the EU, if we are to buy and sell anything with them, after which new partners might will want to negotiate deals with us. Time scale unknown, but likely to take years. They could be lean years, our credit rating has gone down instantly, and our £ notes won't buy as much abroad at the moment. Better get a taste for British-grown food.

Meanwhile through and after the divorce we have to feed the children (without any alimony, just on our own efforts, and without the inlaws helping us to get orders any more)

The au pairs and the chars will soon go home, which means we'll have to do things ourselves which we used to let them do - look after our aged relations, nurse us after operations, and so on. On the plus side, that should mean we will be needed in those jobs, if we want them.

petra Fri 24-Jun-16 12:35:34

I hope that Gillian Duffy is still with us. That's the woman that Gorden brown sneered at.
I hope that white van man is still with us. He's the man that Emilly Thornberry sneered at.
They are having their day.
I hope it's shown the uneducated morons that they do have power and they will be listened to.

Nonnie1 Fri 24-Jun-16 12:36:18

Swearing? Where?

Elegran Fri 24-Jun-16 12:38:18

Translated - We just have to bite the bullet and make it all work. No use crying over spilt milk, (and various other annoying cliches)

Nonnie1 Fri 24-Jun-16 12:40:03

Agree x

harrigran Fri 24-Jun-16 12:40:37

I am saddened by the level of animosity and venom vented on forums and FB today and I include my own family sad

Candelle Fri 24-Jun-16 12:43:14

Thanks daphnedill and Elegran.

{{http://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215}}

It may now work....

The site is up and running again and is now over the 100,000 mark.

If you voted 'remain', this petition may still be worth a shot as the vote was less than 60% in either camp and the turnout was less than 75%.

Ginny42 Fri 24-Jun-16 12:43:26

@ Homefarm,
But it's not the future almost 50% of the population wanted and now 100% of the population will have to live with the consequences.

The whole sorry spectacle has split families, communities and political parties. How bizarre was it to watch representatives of the same party on opposites sides of the debate, e.g. Boris and that engaging young Scottish Tory, Ruth Davidson! I'm not a Tory and never will be, but there was no comparison.

I'm particularly sad as my grandson has become a 'foreigner' overnight and my job and that of my daughter has/will disappear with the changes to Erasmus grants system.

I fear it was Boris' wish to reside in No 10 aided by Gove the kingmaker, which caused this seismic shift and now we will all have to live with the consequences.

nigglynellie Fri 24-Jun-16 12:50:07

If the result had gone the other way would there be a petition for a re run? I don't think so!!!

Hattiehelga Fri 24-Jun-16 12:58:59

We need to stay cool and let the Remain fraternity express their bitterness which I hope will not prevent them, in time, realising that democracy has worked. Hopefully they will be big enough to accept the decision of the majority and pull together to make sure that Great Britain prospers. David Cameron compounds my disappointment in him by resigning. Another broken promise because he said he would stay whatever the outcome. He should stay and work towards enabling the wish of the people.

wot Fri 24-Jun-16 12:59:27

Was she referring to my use of the word"a#se" I wonder?????

pashkaro Fri 24-Jun-16 13:02:08

People on both sides if the camp seem to have forgotten we are already part of the "CommonWealth". As such no one government in the Commonwealth exercises power over the others as is the case in a political union. Rather, the relationship is one of an international organisation through which countries with diverse social, political, and economic backgrounds are regarded as equal in status and cooperate within a framework of common values and goals as outlined in the Singapore Declaration. Such common values and goals include the promotion of democracy, human rights, good governance, the rule of law, individual liberty, egalitarianism, free trade, multilateralism, and world peace which are carried out through multilateral projects and meetings which include the Commonwealth Games held once every four years.

obieone Fri 24-Jun-16 13:02:17

daphnedill - life will be improved because of what will now not happen.
No EU army, a likelihood of controlling immigration numbers, and none of the whatever horrors the EU had lined up for us.

I realise for you, that may indeed all be a minus, so yes, for you and others, you may not think your life is going to improve.

Jane10 Fri 24-Jun-16 13:03:33

Pretty mild I'd say compared to the words flying around our house!

obieone Fri 24-Jun-16 13:03:58

I have to say that actually, I think the posters on gransnet are reacting better this time around than they did after the last General Election. Thank you.

Jane10 Fri 24-Jun-16 13:05:26

Your life will also be in for a helluva dip too Obieone. Just wait and see what a whirlwind the brexiters have sown.

Bluecat Fri 24-Jun-16 13:06:01

Thank you, Obieone, for the hug. I wish I shared your optimism about the future. I fear that it is going to be very bleak, particularly for the young.

I would like to think that the bad things we are seeing now - the falling value of the pound, the fact that we are no longer the 5th strongest economy, the downgrading of the UK's credit rating and the prediction that property values will start falling by at least 15% - were only temporary. However, I think it is more likely that the economy will suffer even more when the loss of EU markets begins to hit UK companies.

What worries me most, though, is that we may have started a domino effect. The fact that far-right organisations throughout Europe have congratulated us and called for referendums in their own countries is quite terrifying. I don't want to see a Europe where everyone retreats back behind their national borders, influenced by xenophobic propaganda from the far-right. Welcome back, 1939!

Oh, dear. You're right, I do need a hug...

Nonnie1 Fri 24-Jun-16 13:07:23

Truth is folks that nobody really knows and the rhetoric flying about is similar to the stuff we heard before we voted.

I think we need to chillax a bit.

POGS Fri 24-Jun-16 13:08:31

Stop the practice of name calling and abusive language to one another.

Deal in facts not propaganda or spin.

Accept a democratic vote took place and it should be adhered to irrespective of whether or not it was the choice of you, I or anybody else.

It is a time for forward thinking 'progressive' politics and
dialogue, not hatred and throwing abuse at one another.

The EU and the UK parliaments should not look inward with an attitude of revenge but look outward and understand the need for calm, reflective dialogue that maintains harmony, security and above all does not damage the people of all the countries who are now looking for maturity from our poltical elite.

Stop project fear.

wot Fri 24-Jun-16 13:10:06

My abusive language was not to a person but to a system.

Sheilasue Fri 24-Jun-16 13:11:52

The best thing is to keep calm and see what happens in the next few weeks. It will take two years anyway to be sorted out we can only hope that our children and grandchildren don't suffer for this situation. I voted to stay in but the vote is to leave so we must respect that.

daphnedill Fri 24-Jun-16 13:15:49

POGS

You still haven't said how leaving the EU will make people's lives better. I thought that was the idea of it all. I'll stop feeling angry when somebody comes up with an answer which convinces me it was worth it.

hulahoop Fri 24-Jun-16 13:16:18

Breeze your post was very encouraging and upbeat I am worried about our future but I think we all need to pull together now no point young ones blaming us I know some young ones who voted leave and some pensioners who voted stay my hubby lost a lot of his pension pot years ago so it's always happened I think we will have a rocky road to travel for several years but we are strong

daphnedill Fri 24-Jun-16 13:17:17

Nonnie,

That's what Chamberlain would have said if the word 'chillax' had been around.

daphnedill Fri 24-Jun-16 13:18:28

75% of 18-24 year olds voted Remain, so it wasn't a small number. I think they have every right to feel angry.

daphnedill Fri 24-Jun-16 13:19:41

Hattie,

How will the UK prosper? Maybe you have an answer. Nobody else seems to.