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Ok, we are out, what now?

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Elegran Fri 24-Jun-16 07:49:53

The vote is in, we are to leave the EU. Deep breath, everyone, a new start begins today.

What needs to be done now? No recriminations allowed, no ranting, please. Constructive ideas only for what steps we should take now - we meaning the government, the legal bods, the negotiators, the banks, large and small busineeses, social departments, and orfinary people?

Bear in mind that it will take two years to settle the divorce details, then we have to begin creating a new relationship with the single market of the EU, if we are to buy and sell anything with them, after which new partners might will want to negotiate deals with us. Time scale unknown, but likely to take years. They could be lean years, our credit rating has gone down instantly, and our £ notes won't buy as much abroad at the moment. Better get a taste for British-grown food.

Meanwhile through and after the divorce we have to feed the children (without any alimony, just on our own efforts, and without the inlaws helping us to get orders any more)

The au pairs and the chars will soon go home, which means we'll have to do things ourselves which we used to let them do - look after our aged relations, nurse us after operations, and so on. On the plus side, that should mean we will be needed in those jobs, if we want them.

POGS Sun 26-Jun-16 18:11:21

Gracesgran

Then just don't watch it, simple.

POGS Sun 26-Jun-16 18:09:32

Whitewave

That was why I found it interesting, perhaps somebody else might too.

It is interesting to hear voices from those outside of the UK, but obviously that is my thought not yours.

Durhamjen

Precisely the point I was making, for every snipe/sarcastic comment you can throw in one persons direction, as you did with Kuenssberg, there is another that can be thrown to balance the initial snipe/sarcastic comment.

Candelle Sun 26-Jun-16 17:47:03

Hi durhamjen. I thought I would re-post the petition as this post has so many pages and the original link was pages ago. The idea was to possibly save people scrolling through searching for it.

whitewave Sun 26-Jun-16 17:43:10

Saw it pogs not sure of your point though there was only one Brig. and he was right wing Tory, the rest were from foreign publications

Gracesgran Sun 26-Jun-16 17:41:29

I enjoy the information I get from what you call the "Gransnet squabble" POGS, thank you, but I am your suggestion will interest some.

durhamjen Sun 26-Jun-16 17:39:22

Well known ex Marxist still had a vote,same as you and me, and Laura.

According to yougov, the north got more votes out than the south.

POGS Sun 26-Jun-16 17:37:10

For anybody interested listening to a debate beyond the confines of the Gransnet squabble I thought Dateline London on BBC News today was interesting. Worth a watch for a different perspective rather than partisan politics and spin.

The following were debating:-

Alex Deane, Conservative Commentator.
Thomas Kielinger, German political journalist , Die Velt
Stephanie Baker, Blomberg News.
Agnes Poirier, French Journalist.

Interesting they thought Junker was the wrong man for the job.

Gracesgran Sun 26-Jun-16 17:36:51

Ken Livingstone has just commented on the tiny percentage of TV coverage time that went to covering the Labour "remain" speeches and meetings and, quite rightly in my view said that the majority of cover went to the Tory fighting.

I would add that the TV journalists were very lazy, expecting everyone to come to them rather than going out an finding what people were really talking about.

rosesarered Sun 26-Jun-16 17:33:01

grin

POGS Sun 26-Jun-16 17:22:43

Well I guess if calling BBC Political Editor Laura Kuenssberg a Tory , it is worth saying.

Paul Mason. That well known ex Marxist. confused

durhamjen Sun 26-Jun-16 16:26:01

"Ultimately it looks like Labour still managed to get 2/3 of its voters to voter Remain [I’ll check this but that’s what YouGov said earlier]. So the major failure is Cameron’s. It looks like the Tory vote broke 60/40 to Brexit"

Paul Mason.

daphnedill Sun 26-Jun-16 16:04:56

@Bluecat

I agree with you. I'm still struggling to understand any patterns. I live in Essex, which is solidly Leave, but it's a relatively wealthy county, apart from the coastal towns, which are dumping grounds for DWP clients. My constituency was nearly 50/50 (but still leave) and we're one of the wealthiest in the country with a very low number of immigrants.

On the other hand, Merseyside voted Remain. I come from Merseyside and still have family there. There are pockets of real deprivation and high unemployment, so I don't understand why they didn't vote Leave.

I'm surprised Birmingham voted Leave.

It does seem that some of the small/medium towns and rural areas voted Leave without the arguments about austerity, etc. Immigration was the only other big argument.

durhamjen Sun 26-Jun-16 15:54:52

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/06/26/why-we-will-have-a-recession-and-it-may-be-a-big-one/

This is what now.

durhamjen Sun 26-Jun-16 15:47:40

That wellknown Tory, Laura Kuenssberg?

crun Sun 26-Jun-16 15:36:48

According to Laura Kuenssberg, someone has leaked documents to the BBC purporting to show that Corbyn has deliberately sabotaged the referendum.

It doesn't surprise me, I've thought for a long while that he was keeping his head down so that he could come out on the winning side after the vote.

Bluecat Sun 26-Jun-16 15:23:37

I'm not entirely convinced that the vote is mainly based on class. Certainly the working class have been hit very hard by austerity measures, many feel marginalised and want to blame someone. As usually, it is easier to blame Mr Khan or Mr Kowalski next door than the politicians, the financiers or the media moguls....However, in the area where I live, the city (which includes some very tough housing estates, including one that's been labelled "the worse sink estate in Europe") voted to remain whereas all the posh rural areas, ie the pretty villages filled with chartered accountants, bankers, solicitors, etc, voted to leave. There's a lot of middle class racists out there, for a start - Nigel Farage isn't the only one.

Nor do many of us who voted to remain belong to a supposed elite. I live in the Midlands, most of my education is self-taught and I've never had much money, but I voted to stay because I wanted my kids and grandkids to enjoy peace, stability, job protection and the opportunity to travel as citizens of Europe. Instead, our generation has taken those benefits away from them at a single stroke.

Jane10 Sun 26-Jun-16 15:13:22

We don't deserve any points.

durhamjen Sun 26-Jun-16 15:12:56

politicalscrapbook.net/2016/06/tory-cllr-wrote-he-donated-the-steam-of-my-pss-to-the-jo-cox-memorial-fund/

I bet this man voted leave.
I hope he loses his job and is so reviled he has to move.

durhamjen Sun 26-Jun-16 15:10:23

I think we need to have it sorted before next year's Eurovision. Otherwise we are definitely going to get no points.

durhamjen Sun 26-Jun-16 15:01:16

Candelle, we have been signing that for days.
However, I have noticed that someone is trying to sabotage that
petition.
People are asking anyone to vote and giving them their postcodes. It is checkable, as you are asked for name, email and postcode. Apparently people in Australia and Iceland have been signing it using old postcodes from when they used to live here.
I hope someone gets fined for it. Misrepresentation is a serious offence.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/26/petition-for-second-eu-referendum-may-have-been-manipulated

durhamjen Sun 26-Jun-16 14:56:25

Brain not working at the moment. I meant sorry, Anniebach.

durhamjen Sun 26-Jun-16 14:51:57

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/25/view-wales-town-showered-eu-cash-votes-leave-ebbw-vale

Sorry, whitewave, I just had to put this on.

Candelle Sun 26-Jun-16 14:36:02

If any of the 'Remain' camp would like to add their names to the petition re. voting for another referendum (I know, it's a long shot but this agreement was mooted months ago) a petition is available here:

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

There have been over three million signatures in two days. Please consider adding your name and forwarding on to others if this is your view.

crun Sun 26-Jun-16 14:16:10

Not a member of the EU? Never mind, muslims and Mexicans will do.

crun Sun 26-Jun-16 14:08:22

There are an awful lot of people who are very disillusioned for an awful lot of different reasons, and Brexit have managed to recruit them all by making the EU the scapegoat for everything.

Got no job? Blame the EU.
Got no house? Blame the EU.
Don't like foreigners? Blame the EU.
Suffered in the credit crunch? Blame the EU.
Don't like politicians? Blame the EU.
Want more spent on the NHS? Blame the EU.
Don't like bureaucracy? Blame the EU.
Not enough motherhood & apple pie? Blame the EU.