Corbyn and No Confidence

aquagran you are misinformed . I have been a member since being able to vote and am not a `usurper` . Corbyn is a breath of fresh air, won by a landslide and deserves the support of his party . I know of many people who joined Labour because of Corbyn , moderate ordinary people not far lefters .

Just shows how much charisma the Millibands have. I cannot tell one from t'other but even he (which ever one he was) did better than the current bod, wot's 'is name, you know the one I mean

@ Monica

Did you mean David or Ed?

My heart is in LibDem/Green politics, although I voted for Labour in the last election. I knew my vote wouldn't count for anything with the FPTP system, but I just felt that I wanted it to be counted in the final tally.

I actually paid my £3, so that I could vote in the Labour leadership contest. I had intended to vote for Corbyn, because I thought he was genuine and honest (I still do), but in the end I didn't vote.

I would love to have him as my constituency MP, but I just can't see that he's a good leader. I really want to get rid of this horrible government, because I think it's done more damage to the fabric of society than any other I can remember (including Thatcher). I also think it's incompetent on economics. The only way that's going to happen is if Labour offers a viable alternative, perhaps in coalition with other parties, which I think could work. For that to happen, Labour has to have a leader who understands politics and inspires his party. I'm afraid I don't think Corbyn is the person to do that.

I think blaming the media for Corbyn's failure is a cop-out. If he actually put himself across, spoke ina way and language that inspired confidence in him, the press would follow him. He got enough publicity nwhen he was elected, but from everything I have heard he is unco-operative with the press and avoids it where possible.

David Milliband managed to be be constantly in the news. If he could manage it Corbyn should not have had a problem.

Just wondered why you were so concerned about Corbyn. I do think he has excellent policies, which are labour party policies.

varian I always thought I would be a life long Labour voter, but I am tempted by the LibDems and the Greens. I won't waste my vote though by voting for a party that can't make a difference to the lives of those less fortunate.

I do. Always have. Why do you ask dj?

Perhaps those social democrats still left in the Labour party should join the LibDems

Do you vote labour, Wilma?

That's not true, aquagran. Corbyn was all over the country in the campaign. It's just that the media was only interested in the division between Cameron and Boris.

After a rocky start I hoped Corbyn would improve his presentation skills. I can't think of any other way to describe it. A leader needs a forceful personality. It can be quietly forceful, but only if you can carry off the trick of making people want to listen to you. Sadly Corbyn does not appear to be able to do this and it's such a shame that he is unable to provide an effective alternative to the school ground behaviour we see at PMQs. It doesn't even look like he will leave a legacy of excellent policies for the next leader to develop further and make the party electable. I admire the man, but I am disappointed.

When he was elected party leader he somehow managed to whip up quite a head of steam. How did he do it? He has turned out to have as much charisma of a wet rag.

The problem is that Corbyn is the leader that labour party memebers want, but not the leader the electorate wants.

Some level of charisma is necessary for a leader and Jeremey Corbyn has none. I am very disappointed by him. I was hoping he would rise to the challenge of leadership but all he has done is confirm why he was so long an MP who would have been utterly obscure if he hadn't made a policy of disagreeing with every policy or nearly every policy, his party espoused.

Jalima- i meant the levelled tone of speech, someone who is ready to pour water on any kind of disruptive discussion. Sorry! I've sat through so many conferences, and few were inspirational just like Corbyn is not inspirational.

Corbyn is useless. He took hardly any part in this referendum, went on holiday in the middle. He might be honest , but he has no personality or charisma. With a strong Labour force to support the Remain vote the result would have been different. He was voted in by usurpers into the Labour Party who wanted to elect a loser, and they did. No confidence...you bet!

Corbyn is a breath of fresh air precisely because he is not typical leader material. But he blows with the wind a bit and that will not wash as leader unfortunately. Parties like a certain type at the top and he does not fit the bill.

jalima Thank you for mentioning Andy Burnham and Mid Staffs. People forget, I don't.

I think Jeremy's biggest problem is not a lack of charisma but the back stabbing Blairites in the Labour Party who just refuse to accept their day is over and no one wants a return to their kind of politics. I considered joining the Labour Party after the election but didn't get round to it - I think it's essential now to try to have some influence over the future and get the message over to the likes of Margaret Hodge that Jeremy is the leader the membership wanted.

Anniebach I supported the ideas that breeze put forward and expanded on them so if you were saying breeze was mistaken you were saying that I was mistaken and I chose to explain why I shared the same opinons

GN is an open forum and even when a reply is directed to one person, anybody else who reads it can choose to respond. If you want to reply to one person alone it is better to send a PM.

A. Dry hiding lost Wilma. The problem is voters are mimpressed by what they call charisma not honesty

From what I've heard I think Corbyn did stick to his principles during the campaign by speaking about the parts of the EU he does support. What he didn't do is bang the drum about the things he doesn't agree with. He was one of the few people who spoke about the environment.

His problem is he's a quietly spoken man, not a great orator. It's not what he says that is the real problem, it's how he says it.

The trouble with his shadow cabinet is the ambition of some individuals and the cliques. He can't seem to get them working together. It seems no group will bite the bullet and start proposing policy that will catch the ear and please working class Labour voters. It is like the members of the shadow cabinet cancel each other out, giving the illusion of a party treading water.

I don't know what to say, except that commentators are saying politicians have not listened to the working class, yet if you listen closely to what Jeremy Corbyn says, I don't think that applies to him. Just my opinion of course.

Monica, I was explaining to breeze she was mistaken

Obieone

Fair point made!

Labour revival will have to wait for a leader who can say that he has no connection with the 'bad' old days and comes before the electorate pure and undefiled.
A lot of people in the country as a whole may have backed Andy Burnham, but unfortunately he will always have the Mid-Staffs scandal and tragedies hanging over him, even though he redeemed himself with his support and hard work over Hillsborough.
His connection with the bad old days

I think the party will have to wait for the publication of the Chilcot report before they can move forward.