Corbyn and No Confidence

This will be interesting. I've always admired Jeremy The Man. Not sure about Jeremy The Leader.

Now is his chance to show what he's made of.

I have said several times on this forum I felt sorry for him being obliged to take the stance he did on EU membership, and his heart wasn't in it. So I'm watching to see if he shows the qualities of grit needed to see this through without being deposed.

I wonder what he said to Tom Watson on being told he had lost the confidence of the parliamentary Labour Party. Or did he just laugh.

A strong Opposition is needed now more than ever. How on earth can this be achieved?

Chris Bryant is MP for Rhondda, a very safe labour seat. It went to Plaid in the assembly elections in May and with Brexit last week. He is deeply concerned

I think Corbyn will fight , he is not a man to betray those who elected him leader ,

It could be a achieved if the blairites had accepted the vote and stood with him

I am afraid that Corbyn has already betrayed those who elected him by his ineptitude and total lack of leadership qualities.

What leadership qualities dies he lack, I don't count leaping in front of every tv camera a leadership quality

When he does get on tv he is dull and uninspiring. He has not retained the confidence of his parliamentary colleagues, who should know him better than most party members. It is no good holding fast to left wing ideology (which I'm sure he genuinely believes in) if it means condemning his party to perpetual opposition.

Has he got rid of some "experts" durhamjen?! Couldn't resist that one

It's the party members who vote him in, varian, not his parliamentary colleagues. Did you see the link about the plot against him in April?

Ab, when a person loses 28 of his top team, I think it is very safe to say he his lacking in some leadership qualities!

I habe noticed before, that very left wing people care about ideology above most things.

I am not a Labour supporter but from what I have heard and read about Jeremy Corbyn I think he is basically a decent man who is out of his depth. Before he was elected Labour leader few people outside of his constituency had heard of him. I think his heart wasn't in the Remain campaign but his sense of duty to the Labour party meant he had to support that campaign. He was probably a very good MP but not leadership material. Personally I feel sorry for him. Speaking to a friend (who is a member of the Labour party), he tells me that Jeremy Corbyn was elected because the rank and file were tired of the more prominent Labour MPs who appeared to be only concerned with their own political ambitions.

durhamjen if Corbyn has the support of so many party members and so few MPs, why do you think there is such a chasm between them?

Because many of the MPs do not reflect the party membership?
It's a problem, isn't it?
I think Corbyn tried to neuter the Blairites by keeping them in his cabinet.
It did not work, so now the plot has been unfolding, and he can now choose his own cabinet.

The Labour voters, the electorate, do not agree with his views either.
He will have to go, sooner or later, but may try and hang on until he loses the next GE.

He chose his own cabinet last year..... They resigned!

Think you are so wrong rosesaered. Many Labour Party members want free of the shadow of Blair

How does failing to support a leader you don't believe is effective, or can win an election being a Blairite? I don't support J C and I dislike Blair. Yes I'm a Labour Party member - but only just these dsys

Is a permanent split in the Labour Party on the cards, do you think?

Anniebach stop constantly going on about Blair, he was a deeply unpleasant man, but he made the Labour Party electable even he later corrupted it. Calling every MP who disagrees with Corbyn a 'Blairite' is lazy thinking.

Will you call everyone who disagrees with the next leader a Corbynite, even if you previously accused them of being a Blairite?

The Labour Party has to decide whether it is all for ideological purity and appealing only to its committed supporters or whether it wants to be representative of the population as a whole so that they win seats and stand a chance of forming a government.

Any leader of any party, right wing, left wing or centrist, who gets lower and lower ratings in the all the polls and is seen as a laughing stock by the elctorate, is a millstone round the neck of his party and needs to be replaced. Corbyn is in that situaation.

You don't have to be a Blairite or a Corbynite ( as an MP) to see that Corbyn is doomed and has lost credibility of so many in the shadow cabinet and outside it.

My OH is a dyed in the wool labour supporter. He could no more vote for any other party than fly to the moon.
Corbyn has left him in a quandary if he's still the leader at the next general election. He just can't vote for him.

The LibDems have many supporters now who were once "dyed in the wool labour supporters" but are not far left ideologues like Corbyn.