Being blamed

Or is that a myth too?

Yes, it is - he worked as Brussels correspondent for the Telegraph JessM
and spread a lot of whoppers about the EU
indy100.independent.co.uk/article/a-journalist-has-shared-a-story-about-boris-johnson-that-completely-undermines-his-authority-on-the-eu--bkoHJPBuVZ

Perhaps the real people to 'blame' are the people who voted Conservative last time and put Cameron in the position of being able to put us through the horror of this referendum. Nobody knows the future so we have no idea at the moment if Brexit will be a good thing, eventually, for the nation or not.

No good in blaming anyone. We are all entitled to our view and we are left with the majority view whether we agree with it or not.

What needs to be done now is to stop all this scaremongering and back biting and get the politicians who are supposed be running this country to do it in a calm, intelligent and grown up manner.

Perhaps the people to balme are those at the top of the Conservative party who fiddled the elction last time and put Cameron in that position, the ones on the battlebus who did not list all their expenses, the ones the police are looking into now.

Balme? Embalm? Sorry, blame.

We, our children and adult grandchildren all voted Remain. Luckily perhaps my father was from Ireland so all the family are now applying for Irish passports so that we still have EU access.

My son is just back from Croatia and he said he was sat in a bar next ro a group of at least 25 young English. They were all blaming the older voter, saying most of them will be dead before we've even finished the negotiations.

How nice.

Maddyone we'll be bloody angry if we want. Sour grapes does not even begin to cover how we feel. Cameron blundered his way into a referendum without a smidgen of mature judgement.
Farage, Gove, Johnson lied shamelessly throughout the campaign.
Press, owned by a foreign megalomaniac, has been busy repeating the lies and fanning the flames of racism. British citizens whose origins and antecedents are now feeling scared due the rise of racism.
The guys who got us into this have no plan at all for dealing with what happens next.
And those of us with a basic grip on economics can see clearly that there is a long list of ways in which this mess will have a terrible impact on our economy, probably for many years. Our economy is very reliant on services like banking and that is likely to be hardest hit. We already have a £1.7trillion national debt as a hangover from our last economic body blow, and it has increased steadily on Osborne's watch.
Shit does happen when an economy takes a body blow. Ask some of the victims of austerity in the UK - impoverished elderly people who have had far less local authority care available to them for instance. But it is going to get a lot worse as a result of this Tory blundering.
Let's just look at another example of a country that suffered from an economic implosion recently:
Ireland took a huge hit to its economy in 2008/9 from boom to recession. Before 2008 they were desperately recruiting thousands and thousands of EU migrants to staff the booming economy, In their recession unemployment went up to 14% (it would have been higher had not many EU migrants and Irish nationals left the country over several years), many businesses went bust, public employees like teachers and lecturers had a significant pay cut and many other painful things happened. Things are improving now and, all credit to the Irish, the pain was endured without outbreaks of divisive racism etc
I have no faith that the UK would do as well in this regard as e have a much more toxic press and a much larger number of people who are already struggling.

OK. I'm getting fed up with these clever-clever youngsters. They were most likely only thinkng of themselves anyway.

That was response to ww's post.

I think it's time to calm down, lose the anger, and see how it all pans out.

Yes just repeating what my son overheard.

But facinating sitting in a bar in Croatia to find that the topic of conversation

How many thousands of young complainers didn't bother voting because the referendum clashed with Glastonbury?

I had seen that TriciaF. There are lots of people who would vote differently. There are also those still perfectly happy.
There are a lot saying not to moan and to be positive- much easier if it wasn't a monumental mess!

I agree, jings, on all counts of ageism and selfishness. Jumping on a bandwagon is all they're doing. I also agree about calming down and seeing what happens (it might never happen!) but I think you'll find you're wasting your breath on people who want to be angry feel they have every right to be angry in the circumstances.

My thought too, merlot. Whith any luck those who didn't bother to vote have learned a valuable life lesson.

Yes.

My anger has gone. The interesting bit is about to begin.

I imagine it could be fun making up myths. At any other time we could have had a thread on it (Phoenix would have invented some good ones), but this is definitely not the right moment for it.

I've got to that stage too, jingl (if you don't mind me referring to you in that familiar way?). I am now preparing to sit back and be thoroughly entertained

Not at all Badenkate. Even I can see it's better than the jinglbellsfrocks I have somehow ended up with.

Yes, next week is going to be very interesting.
Whitewave, did they give any idea how long they expect us to live? My grandson wants me to live for ever, even if I do not want to.
These negotiations could last a very long time.

My son is just back from Croatia and he said he was sat in a bar next ro a group of at least 25 young English. They were all blaming the older voter, saying most of them will be dead before we've even finished the negotiations.
Some young people have really got to learn that if they don't bother to get out and vote they will not get the result they want.

That doesn't give us very long whitewave
I don't want to live for ever, either, but did they give any indication how long we've got because I have a lot of things I would like to do first

So glad my DC are nicer than that