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Emelle Sat 25-Jun-16 12:11:10

I can honestly say that in making vote my only consideration was for the future of my children and grandchildren which meant I voted against my own concerns. Anybody else insulted by the blame our generation are getting for the result of the vote?

Ana Sun 26-Jun-16 18:09:27

What is astounding is the amount of people who voted out would now vote remain

Is there actual evidence of this? Have polls been done?

Certainly some are now regretting voting Out - there might actually be some wishing they'd been brave enough to do so. We only have people's word for it.

Nelliemoser Sun 26-Jun-16 18:09:52

Elegran thank you for enlightening me on that post by
Ceesnan

I do wish people would check out facts before they post on rumours.

lizzypopbottle Sun 26-Jun-16 18:28:04

I think percentages without voter numbers are very misleading. Sorry if this is suck eggs territory but if 1000 over 65s went out to vote and 60% voted leave, that's 600 leave votes. If only 100 of the 18-24 year olds went to the same polling station and 73% voted remain, that's 73 votes for remain. The statistics showed that in areas where there are high numbers of young people, voter turn out was low. Who didn't vote would be an eye opening statistic.

Hattiehelga Sun 26-Jun-16 18:29:24

Very very insulted. When they get to our age will they be happy that they are thought too old to have a view ? I almost felt like apologising for not dying on Wednesday !!

POGS Sun 26-Jun-16 18:29:30

Whitewave

Well looking at quite a lot of posts over the past few weeks I don't think I have overegged anything.

lizzypopbottle Sun 26-Jun-16 18:30:33

And the total votes for each camp would be 627 for leave and 473 for remain.

Elegran Sun 26-Jun-16 18:54:11

nelliemoser One internet search on Google for "farmers" and "three crops" got me a list of links, one of the first of which explained it very clearly (and had the word "myth" in the title, which was a clue!)

I do find it really frustrating that so many people who are able to use a computer to send posts to Gransnet seem not to be able to use one to find the truth about a news item that sounds too way-out and sensational to believe. If it is horrifying, it is worth checking that it really means what it appears to, and isn't a mistake by either the reporter or by the person reading it.

Elegran Sun 26-Jun-16 18:59:45

Incidentally - if you want a laugh, here is an index of Euromyths - blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/euromyths-a-z-index/ from "Acres outlawed by Brussels" to "EU plans to ban zipper trousers"

Except that it is not funny when these myths influence people's decisions.

Jalima Sun 26-Jun-16 19:07:03

no-one of us leavers have suggested that we hate anyone. We may hate the fallout and argue strongly our case
whitewave confused
{leavers?}

Elegran not sure that anyone's votes were influenced by those old myths.
However, I know people whose Brexit votes were greatly influenced by the corruption of some countries which claimed EU money and the profligate spending of the EU (some witnessed at first hand).

daphnedill Sun 26-Jun-16 19:14:13

@Elegran

There's a poster on GN who stated her vote was influenced by the myths. hmm I don't know how many more were.

I do actually accept the arguments about corruption and profligate spending and think they are issues which should be investigated. However, I personally didn't hear much about them from Leavers and don't think they are a strong enough case for leaving.

daphnedill Sun 26-Jun-16 19:14:35

ooops meant @Jalima

Leticia Sun 26-Jun-16 19:15:47

I find it strange that posts on Grandsnet seem well balanced and yet Mumsnet (on the whole younger) were far more for voting out and very aggressive to the criticism of the remains - wanting them to 'shut up' and get on with it.
If only the under 24s had all voted we wouldn't be out- not fair to then blame the over 65s when 40% voted to stay in.

durhamjen Sun 26-Jun-16 19:31:17

Jalima, some people were definitely influenced by this myth.

blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/are-british-businesses-really-being-strangled-by-eu-red-tape/

durhamjen Sun 26-Jun-16 19:32:40

Thanks for that list, Elegran. It could come in useful.

Jalima Sun 26-Jun-16 19:36:49

wrongly claiming for example that the EU is seeking to impose laws banning high heels for hairdressers, UK flags on meat packaging and olive oil on restaurant tables.
I never heard any of these

Jalima Sun 26-Jun-16 19:39:31

I do actually accept the arguments about corruption and profligate spending and think they are issues which should be investigated. However, I personally didn't hear much about them from Leavers and don't think they are a strong enough case for leaving.
Nor me, I only heard about some specific cases today (not myths, from a very reliable source), but it did influence some people.

durhamjen Sun 26-Jun-16 19:41:47

That's why they are myths, Jalima. They are made up by people to scare/convince others. You can find anything on that list. Alphabetical order helps.

Just been reading about a Ukipper who asked what happened when renewable energy ran out? People did laugh at her quite a lot, but I wonder how many people went along with it.

daphnedill Sun 26-Jun-16 19:43:41

There's one on homeopathic medicines too

blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/eu-organic-farming-rules-prioritise-animal-welfare-and-natural-food-and-do-not-insist-animals-are-treated-only-by-homeopathy/

JessM Sun 26-Jun-16 20:19:34

They say that Boris Johnson made up lots of them when he worked for the Times. (before he was sacked for writing lies) Or is that a myth too?

maddyone Sun 26-Jun-16 20:22:27

I'm hearing/reading a lot of sour grapes from the losers on here. Sad, thought people in this age group would be more mature. Respect democracy, it's the most important thing in our society.

daphnedill Sun 26-Jun-16 20:25:46

It wasn't a football game!

No, I will not roll over and accept that the British people made the right decision - or do we now have a thought police?

Tegan Sun 26-Jun-16 20:34:49

A shockingly stupid decision has been made. Can't help but feel that those of the 'shut up and get on with it' brigade are not fearful of their families livelihood being taken away. Already know of one person whose business is in jeopardy because of a leave vote. I realise that it's selfish of him to think this way (as I was told when I said I was worried about my children losing their jobs). Maybe those who aren't worried are financially secure (or don't worry about people who aren't).

TriciaF Sun 26-Jun-16 20:44:55

Leticia - Seems that many on Mumsnet are now regretting the way they voted:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/2670023-I-regret-the-way-I-voted?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Daily%20email%20SUNDAY%20260616&utm_content=Daily%20email%20SUNDAY%20260616+CID_65ae47e916e2f6b4d096f2f0ee5caf58&utm_source=newsletters&utm_term=I%20regret%20the%20way%20I%20voted

Nelliemoser Sun 26-Jun-16 21:04:46

Elegran There is unfortunately a part of people's thinking which quite often tends towards reinforcing their existing prejudices. The result of this is that they tend not to strive to look objectively at the information or the views presented.

People on GN still get criticised for posting links to the truth rather than checking out the information for themselves.

(My spell check appears to be American English though!)

Jane10 Sun 26-Jun-16 21:08:20

Is that not called something like cognitive dissonance nellie?