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Emelle Sat 25-Jun-16 12:11:10

I can honestly say that in making vote my only consideration was for the future of my children and grandchildren which meant I voted against my own concerns. Anybody else insulted by the blame our generation are getting for the result of the vote?

JessM Sun 26-Jun-16 20:19:34

They say that Boris Johnson made up lots of them when he worked for the Times. (before he was sacked for writing lies) Or is that a myth too?

daphnedill Sun 26-Jun-16 19:43:41

There's one on homeopathic medicines too

blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/eu-organic-farming-rules-prioritise-animal-welfare-and-natural-food-and-do-not-insist-animals-are-treated-only-by-homeopathy/

durhamjen Sun 26-Jun-16 19:41:47

That's why they are myths, Jalima. They are made up by people to scare/convince others. You can find anything on that list. Alphabetical order helps.

Just been reading about a Ukipper who asked what happened when renewable energy ran out? People did laugh at her quite a lot, but I wonder how many people went along with it.

Jalima Sun 26-Jun-16 19:39:31

I do actually accept the arguments about corruption and profligate spending and think they are issues which should be investigated. However, I personally didn't hear much about them from Leavers and don't think they are a strong enough case for leaving.
Nor me, I only heard about some specific cases today (not myths, from a very reliable source), but it did influence some people.

Jalima Sun 26-Jun-16 19:36:49

wrongly claiming for example that the EU is seeking to impose laws banning high heels for hairdressers, UK flags on meat packaging and olive oil on restaurant tables.
I never heard any of these

durhamjen Sun 26-Jun-16 19:32:40

Thanks for that list, Elegran. It could come in useful.

durhamjen Sun 26-Jun-16 19:31:17

Jalima, some people were definitely influenced by this myth.

blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/are-british-businesses-really-being-strangled-by-eu-red-tape/

Leticia Sun 26-Jun-16 19:15:47

I find it strange that posts on Grandsnet seem well balanced and yet Mumsnet (on the whole younger) were far more for voting out and very aggressive to the criticism of the remains - wanting them to 'shut up' and get on with it.
If only the under 24s had all voted we wouldn't be out- not fair to then blame the over 65s when 40% voted to stay in.

daphnedill Sun 26-Jun-16 19:14:35

ooops meant @Jalima

daphnedill Sun 26-Jun-16 19:14:13

@Elegran

There's a poster on GN who stated her vote was influenced by the myths. hmm I don't know how many more were.

I do actually accept the arguments about corruption and profligate spending and think they are issues which should be investigated. However, I personally didn't hear much about them from Leavers and don't think they are a strong enough case for leaving.

Jalima Sun 26-Jun-16 19:07:03

no-one of us leavers have suggested that we hate anyone. We may hate the fallout and argue strongly our case
whitewave confused
{leavers?}

Elegran not sure that anyone's votes were influenced by those old myths.
However, I know people whose Brexit votes were greatly influenced by the corruption of some countries which claimed EU money and the profligate spending of the EU (some witnessed at first hand).

Elegran Sun 26-Jun-16 18:59:45

Incidentally - if you want a laugh, here is an index of Euromyths - blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/euromyths-a-z-index/ from "Acres outlawed by Brussels" to "EU plans to ban zipper trousers"

Except that it is not funny when these myths influence people's decisions.

Elegran Sun 26-Jun-16 18:54:11

nelliemoser One internet search on Google for "farmers" and "three crops" got me a list of links, one of the first of which explained it very clearly (and had the word "myth" in the title, which was a clue!)

I do find it really frustrating that so many people who are able to use a computer to send posts to Gransnet seem not to be able to use one to find the truth about a news item that sounds too way-out and sensational to believe. If it is horrifying, it is worth checking that it really means what it appears to, and isn't a mistake by either the reporter or by the person reading it.

lizzypopbottle Sun 26-Jun-16 18:30:33

And the total votes for each camp would be 627 for leave and 473 for remain.

POGS Sun 26-Jun-16 18:29:30

Whitewave

Well looking at quite a lot of posts over the past few weeks I don't think I have overegged anything.

Hattiehelga Sun 26-Jun-16 18:29:24

Very very insulted. When they get to our age will they be happy that they are thought too old to have a view ? I almost felt like apologising for not dying on Wednesday !!

lizzypopbottle Sun 26-Jun-16 18:28:04

I think percentages without voter numbers are very misleading. Sorry if this is suck eggs territory but if 1000 over 65s went out to vote and 60% voted leave, that's 600 leave votes. If only 100 of the 18-24 year olds went to the same polling station and 73% voted remain, that's 73 votes for remain. The statistics showed that in areas where there are high numbers of young people, voter turn out was low. Who didn't vote would be an eye opening statistic.

Nelliemoser Sun 26-Jun-16 18:09:52

Elegran thank you for enlightening me on that post by
Ceesnan

I do wish people would check out facts before they post on rumours.

Ana Sun 26-Jun-16 18:09:27

What is astounding is the amount of people who voted out would now vote remain

Is there actual evidence of this? Have polls been done?

Certainly some are now regretting voting Out - there might actually be some wishing they'd been brave enough to do so. We only have people's word for it.

whitewave Sun 26-Jun-16 18:07:58

You are overegging the pudding pogs no-one of us leavers have suggested that we hate anyone. We may hate the fallout and argue strongly our case but to talk of hate as you continually have done serves only to inflame the situation. But perhaps that is what you want

Jalima Sun 26-Jun-16 18:04:34

Sorry, POGS was just putting the percentages on to show that by far the majority of voters are 18-55 or so and are now complaining that the older generation has wrecked their futures.
Despite the fact that a fairly high percentage of older voters voted to Remain.

Their reason for lashing out is not logical.

POGS Sun 26-Jun-16 18:00:20

Percentages , blame game, abusive name calling , all serve no purpose other than to perpetuate the hatred that has gone on for weeks.

How sad.

grandMattie Sun 26-Jun-16 17:55:39

my reasons for voting out were similar to luckygirl. It was because i care deeply about the UK. I certainly didn't expect the Brexit to happen. I thought it would be on a knife edge with the Remains just winning!

Jalima Sun 26-Jun-16 17:52:35

The population of over 65s in the UK is approximately 19% (2014, may be slightly more now)

The population of under 16s is approximately 19% (2014)

Assuming there is a population of 5% of 16-18 year olds in the UK, that leaves a total % of people between 18 and 65 eligible to vote of:
57%

Of the 65+ age group - polls suggest that 40% voted to Remain

So will they please stop blaming older people for Brexit and start looking to their own inertia and apathy.

Flowerofthewest Sun 26-Jun-16 17:43:12

I voted Remain. Proud of it too