Can a referendum be valid if won on lies?

I have a very good idea why people voted Leave and I have challenged them to justify their decision. In real life that has included a wannabe anarchist and a hedge-fund manager. In both cases they have a justifiable reason, but I doubt very much whether the other 16 million (or whatever it is) could justify their vote.

So, you have challenged two people...and that gives you a 'very good idea why people voted to Leave'...? Says it all.

I'll leave you to air your obvious disbelief that anyone could possibly not have a good reason for disagreeing with you. Much good may it do you, but I suppose you have to vent your spleen somewhere.

Here I am in London today, living up to my name with a few thousand other activists.

Where did I ever claim to have a very good idea why people voted Leave?

I had hoped to broaden my education on this site, but with comments like yours, it's obviously not possible.

Well done, grannyactivist!

Of course, no point in discussing why all of them voted OUT. We know some voted because of immigration, some for sovereignty, some as a protest against cuts, some because they believed lies fed to them.

So I am totally prepared to believe you felt it was the right thing to do- but if your reasons were different, why not just tell us- then we won't be able to 'tar with same brush'. Please, I am genuinely interested.

well done grannyactivist, wish I could have been there. It was reported on French news just now- and yet the huge numbers and peaceful demonstration seem to be ignored by the UK news.

Aha! Just read my previous post, so I understand your post. I only have the evidence of what people have written. I have read baloney posts about sovereignty and taking back control. The truth is it came doen to immigration and xenophopia. I can understand why people are pi$$ed off with their situations. What I don't understand is what people hoped to achieve.

It's quite hard not to generalise if people just refuse to reply and give their reasons though. Then we can only guess and perhaps come to the wrong conclusions- but what else can one do?

I would have loved to have been there; had I not been in Northumberland I would have gone. Good for you grannyactivist#respect

Not a trick question. Does anyone that voter to leave feel that they were misled and may have voted to remain, given what they know now ?.

No!

I've justified given my position as a Leaver many times on gransnet. The trouble is, Remainers don't accept Leavers' justifications as valid so what's the point? Why ask? You can't 'justify' anything to someone who just scoffs and says it's no reason at all, that you have been misled, that you are ignorant of the facts, etc, etc.

No, I wouldn't have voted Remain given what I know now, which actually is not much different from what I knew before I voted.

Je ne regrette rien.

But the question was to Ana, as she seemed to intimate that her reasons were different to the ones normally cited - so it is fair to ask, surely.

Following this post:

And you have no idea why people voted Out, dd. You're just tarring everyone with a different opinion to yours with the same brush.

I am very happy not to tar anyone with the same brush- but it would help to know why.

Actually, granjura I think you have a flipping cheek to keep badgering people to reply and give their reasons.

but what else can one do?

You could try minding your own business.

Totally Merlot- would never dream to ask- unless, as in this case, ana stated that her reasons were somehow different and therefore it is fair to ask. If people make comments on an open Forum- it is only normal to ask to clarification. I would never have asked otherwise. If people expect not to be 'tarred with same brush' they should explain why they are different.

Although I am quite sure you will disagree. That's ok.

thatbags Sat 02-Jul-16 20:55:35

Was that answer in response to my question? (it would seem that I had not read back and may be confusing the issue). I was simply interested if anyone that voted, felt they were misled (either way) nothing deeper than that, not asking for any explanation etc.

If few felt that they were mislead, then the vote is a perfectly valid and a representative view.

I don't seem to have heard anything about the 'Turkey is about to join the EU at any moment arguement' recently'. I say 'argument' because if remain had mentioned it it would have been scaremongering#projectfear

Only in part in answer to your question, gand. It was 'answering' others too.

What are "the ones normally cited", gj? And by whom are they cited?

It was reported on French news just now- and yet the huge numbers and peaceful demonstration seem to be ignored by the UK news.
It was on the main BBC news granjura with a good view of the huge numbers

And ITV News and Channel 4

immigration (racism for some but not all)
jobs stolen from Brits
housing shortages
pressure on NHS
pressure on housing
rules and regs made in Brussels
Sovereignty