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Durhamjen

As you ask yet another personal question I will respond.

Yes I did notice what Anniebach wrote the first time round, I found it tasteless and thought to let that sort of comment be seen by others for their interpretation. I found the absolute lack of understanding in the second post as to how tasteless her words were however worth commentating on.

Equally I have to surmise by asking me the question you have either implies you don't see any problem or you are making a point of trying to belittle me. Either way I will leave it to others to read into your question what they will.

No my remark was not inapproiate, it was honest, if you want to believe this country is free of homophobia then up to you . So what was inappropriate ? Saying Angela was lesbian? If so then I dissgree

Honest questions. I wanted to know. You've answered them.

What is tasteless in saying a woman who is openly gay , in a happy relationship is lesbian? It's no more tasteless to me than saying some is tall,short, blond,brunette, but let us not pretend there are still many who fear to come out because of the msny homophobics in this country

I think ab has a point there. People (in the media, for instance) are always talking about Boris Johnson's hair, and Trump's, Corbyn's dress sense was commented on a good deal at one time, and so on. If it's no big deal being homosexual (it isn't) then the only reason for not mentioning it alongside a politician's hair, clothes and, oh yes, that other significant thing about them, their abilities or potential abilities as a politician, is no big deal either.

We don't usually comment on a politician's heterosexuality because that is considered the 'norm' so not worthy of comment, just as normal hair and normal smart dressing isn't.

That long sentence got a bit garbled. Sorry.

The only reason for not mentioning personal details is that the politics is what it's supposed to be about!

I don't think the mentioning of sexual orientation need be seen as any more significant than the mentioning of hair and clothes. It's a personal characteristic is all.

Making personal things a means to lessen a politician's political value is another issue, but if politician's simply don't react to comments about their hair or clothes or sexuality, wouldn't sensible people stop doing it?

Oh, wait. Sensible people wouldn't be making personal comments in the first place!

No, I'm not in a hole. I deliberately tried to looked at another person's point of view to appreciate it properly, and then I argued myself down.

I think that's what I did anyhow ?

politician's politicians

Think I'll go and read the paper. ?

Just so thatbags, but it will not stop the press , wait for the photographs of May in her kitten heels and suit and Angela in her trousers and boots. Certain female journalists will be sharpening their pencils already

Angela isn't going to get the chance is she? An item of local news said her CP weren't supporting her because they want her to support Corbyn. It's a another mess.

What Labour needs is a Leader with a capital L. Someone with energy and passion. Someone with plans and policies. Someone whose policies can appeal to sufficient of the population to win an election. This will be like climbing Everest twice as once the boundaries are changed, Scotland is gone then it will be almost impossible. A coalition seems more attractive by the minute. With the best will in the world Eagle does not fit that bill.

Benn categorically stated he wouldn't stand. Wonder if he's being persuaded to rethink?

A coalition would be the most 'healing' response to all sides of the huge divide that's opened up. Not sure healing is the right word, but hope you get my meaning.

I didn't realise that, Ginny. Interesting! Wallasey voted Remain, which is probably against the trend. I'm a bit out of touch with the area since my father died, but Eagle was a respected local MP, who might have had an influence on the vote. The CP's attitude towards Corbyn is an endorsement.

It may not be. Between Angela an Corbyn.

One thing for sure, there will be an increase in three pound to vote , I could kill Milliband for this

Given the fact that the Tories got a minority of the potential vote or even the actual vote, with the rest split, it makes absolute sense to me to see a coalition. This country needs breathing space to find its feet once again. The Tories have in effect torn it apart.

Coalition wouldn't work now, Corbyn working with Johnson or Gove? Johnson and Gove cannot be trusted and Corbyn will on,y doeskin to the young and those who agree with him, he would' even share a platform with others for a tv debate . Johnson and Grove? Who can trust those two?

Trying to see if the £3 registered supporter is still valid. I hope not because it is then so easy for the leadership election to be hijacked.

I am going to ring HQ, get back to you in a minute

Not in a Knute. Their lines are buzzing , get back to you when I get through

Anniebach. Do you think that if Labour had chosen David Millibrand to lead we would be in a better position to-day? David Millibrand would have won the election and I don't believe a Lab. govern. would have quit Europe.

Right, just spoken to HQ, pay the monthly £3+ and vote still stands, I will not repeat the rest in the conversation , my part of the conversation

Beam , I doubt it, many seem to have forgotten the flack David was getting before the leadership contest. Mandelson got the press on side, Blair got in. I do believe If Corbyn had shared platforms instead of trotting around town halls we would have stayed in Europe , I also believe if the front bench who had supported Ed had stood with Corbyn then McDonald would have far less control and we would still be in Europe

Yes. I think McDonald's stance is suspicious. Is he just very loyal or has he a second agenda? If Corbyn goes, he will sink into oblivion. Maybe he is fighting for personal survival.

Anniebach I think your brain was ahead of your fingers when you typed "Corbyn will on,y doeskin to the young and those who agree with him, he would' even share a platform with others for a tv debate . " I have worked out that there should have been " 'nt" after "could", but I don't get "doeskin to . ." ? Some connection with shaking hands wearing doeskin gloves?