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Has it occurred to anyone that we were all played

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Nonnie1 Sun 26-Jun-16 10:56:01

Cameron in allowing the referendum to go forward was playing with politics. Nothing to do with 'us' at all, more of a Conservative party game.

Boris and Co.. never thought for one minute that they would win. It was another political game.....

Whichever way you voted, you were all played.

We were the pawns.

They are all to blame for this disgraceful fiasco with their lies.

Cameron you ought to be ashamed of yourself. Look at you now throwing your toys out of the pram.

Where in the world is one honest politician? Sorry for the oxymoron.

Tegan Thu 14-Jul-16 15:50:05

What right have you got to tell me what I should and shouldn't do roses. People on here have spoken about going on CND marches in their youth [as did I?]. Was that a stupid thing to do back then?? Given that I am not represented in any way in this country [my MP ffs was backing Leadsom] what else am I supposed to do? One of the reasons why this referendum was held in the first place was that people have moaned about the EU for 40 years [usually in a misinformed way]; no one told them to shut up, so I don't intend to shut up now.

rosesarered Thu 14-Jul-16 15:24:02

Yes, it was only a matter of time before some other countries in the EU decided that allowing as many migrants(as wanted to come) was a big mistake.
Tegan... What on earth is the point of going to a protest ( about the referendum) You and others have to accept the outcome, you have no chance of overturning it.
Wearing anti Brexit badges on the way there and back could get you more than verbally attacked, stick them in your pocket.

petra Thu 14-Jul-16 11:02:11

It's all going very well, isn't it? The Swiss have closed the border with Italy. The Austrians are stopping all cars and lorries on their Hungarian border. And now the Hungarians are going to tell Merkel what she can do with her migrant quota.

Ana Thu 14-Jul-16 10:03:40

You're right, Gononsuch, it was Ukip MEP Godfrey Bloom who said we shouldn't be sending aid to 'bngo-bongo land'.

Gononsuch Thu 14-Jul-16 10:00:49

Was it Boris who said "Bongo-Bongo Land" I might be wrong and if I am I apologize now, but I thought it was someone from UKIP.

How ever Boris for FO is a total laugh, I really though he would be PM.

Elrel Thu 14-Jul-16 09:55:53

Democracy - The people (well, some of them) have (mis)spoken!
We do live in interesting times.
Boris as Foreign Minister, has anyone forgotten his Zionist remark, his description of Obama as 'half-Kenyan' and his reference to 'Bongo Bongo-land'? And, of course, Liverpool. Who will he upset first?
Where will TM the PM put Gove?

whitewave Thu 14-Jul-16 09:05:24

That won't matter welsh! Living in the South there are loads of EU registered cars around. No one takes any notice.

Welshwife Thu 14-Jul-16 09:03:15

Tegan that is awful. Had no idea it was so bad in some areas. I have been a tad worried about our trip to UK in a couple of months in our French Reg car - for complicated reasons it is actually a UK car and we changed the registration to comply with the laws - about a year ago on a trip to UK the side was keyed in a Tesco car park - and that was before any referendum was talked about.

Tegan Wed 13-Jul-16 22:42:37

The point I'm making is that I now live in a country where it isn't safe to wear a t shirt or badge showing what I believe [at least I'm not speaking with a foreign accent though, which is now also unsafe]. Whereas, a few weeks ago I wouldn't have even thought about it. It first happened when I was wearing a remain badge two weeks before the referendum and felt that I could no longer wear it safely. That's how divided I feel the country is now. Brexit people probably don't have to fear the BNP or Britain First lot.

obieone Wed 13-Jul-16 21:50:21

I would have thought if you wore something pro Brexit, someone might verbally attack you too.

It was a big deal, whichever way the result ended up. And people are bound to still be upset

Tegan Wed 13-Jul-16 20:21:39

It concerns me greatly that I want to go on the protest on 5th September but I'm scared that, if I wear anything at all anti brexit on the train journey home I'll be verbally attacked. I've never felt this way in this country sad. Oh, and I was feeling that prior to the referendum as well.

petra Wed 13-Jul-16 19:55:32

Come on the girls, give some support.

Welshwife Wed 13-Jul-16 19:55:15

No * Grandmura* you are not the only one I assure you - I keep hoping it is just a nightmare. I am still hoping they will find a reason we cannot just leave and by then so many negative will have come to the fore that everyone will be relieved we need to stay!
Did you read the post I put on anothe thread written by the Canadian amabssador to UK and EU? He has listed all the things Cameron SHOULD have done in the referendum. !!

rosesarered Wed 13-Jul-16 19:16:45

There sure are a lot of conspiracy theorists around.We were promised a referendum, and we had a referendum.

rosesarered Wed 13-Jul-16 19:15:26

grin

Ana Wed 13-Jul-16 18:56:52

How odd! But I'm sure someone will be along soon enough to agree with you, granjura...

granjura Wed 13-Jul-16 18:42:43

Oh I know, some will laugh, and some will find it pathetic.
But I am wondering- am I the only one? Who feels bereaved- as though I've lost something very dear and important. Feeling vaguely sick all the time, stomach churning with associated d*********a, not sleeping well and waking up in a panic.

I'll own up to it all- and I know DH feels the same. Are we the only ones. And it isn't about the fact we have lost another significant % of our income due to Sterling falling- but deeply emotional- as the future we dreamed of has suddenly vanished.

JessM Thu 07-Jul-16 17:36:28

Uk no longer 5th largest economy:
linkis.com/independent.co.uk/Hqdc3

DaphneBroon Wed 06-Jul-16 18:37:54

HUNGARY is set to hold a referendum on the European Union's mandatory migrant quotas. In the wake of the UK's Brexit vote and the decision to leave the European Union (EU), the Hungarian President, Janos Ader, has ordered a nationwide referendum on October 2

But unlike our referendum which was about remaining/leaving the EU, I understand this is specifically to formulate a response to the EU migrant quota issue.

obieone Wed 06-Jul-16 18:34:02

Though what Merkel wants, Merkel seems to get.

obieone Wed 06-Jul-16 18:33:25

It will be interesting to see what they do before the Hungary referendum. Nothing much again, I highly suspect.

obieone Wed 06-Jul-16 18:31:53

Cameron's arrogance, along with a lot of other politicians both here and in the EU, got the better of them.

When Cameron came back with virtually nothing, it was obvious they were not going to take much notice of us. Nothing new there.

Granny2016 Tue 05-Jul-16 17:03:57

I wonder if Cameron thought the referendum would produce a remain vote and that criticism of the EU may then quieten down.
For a few weeks I have been reading German newspapers on-line (English).
Juncker was reported as being very angry as Cameron had assured him that he could achieve a 60% remain vote.
I expect that explains why he thought a plan for a leave vote was not required.

Post Brexit...heads of EU states are now agreeing that the EU is overdue for an overall ,which they are keen to address.
Junker and Shultz wish for further expansion and integration into the EU,Merkel is against that and supports reforming the EU without further integration for existing EU states.
It is quite disappointing reading.
Had there been EU reform ,I suspect the vote may have been different.

paola Tue 05-Jul-16 16:01:13

Could someone back up the 'naughty children' reference with facts of some sort? And can someone explain 'The EU is going to punish us?'

yggdrasil Tue 05-Jul-16 15:48:19

We always had a major part to play in the EU decisions, as one of the larger economies. They never talked to anyone 'like naughty children'; we have left, so we can't have the benefits. What is surprising about that?