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As the hysterical left weep into their lattes...

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thatbags Mon 27-Jun-16 06:45:30

Well said, Libby Purves and Peter Tatchell! Tatchell is quoted as saying "The left must listen to Brexit supporters and their concerns. Very wrong to dismiss them all as racists and xenophobes". Of those anguished 'hysterical lefties': "many of them mean well [ouch!] yet elitism erupted like a poisoned boil". Superb!

Elitism. The other thing the hysterical left whine about when they're not too busy calling anyone who doesn't agree with them a bigot. Yes. Quite. In spite of my high level of education, and my husband's, we both "get it" in a way that many with similar backgrounds don't seem to. Perhaps we still feel a connect to those of our families who were at the runt end of society only two generations ago. Perhaps we understand better the effect of "arrogant, incompetent Brussels institutions, and the decades when governments neglected inequality".

Purves does not skim over actual racism at all, but she says quite rightly that the vast majority of people are not racists or xenophobes. She's right.

Thank you, Libby Purves.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 27-Jun-16 21:08:04

It is what she calls the "culterati" that she is crticising. "directors, actors, critics, cultural titans, intelligent lefties." I don't actually know any of those people. Have they been more vicious in laying down the blame than the rest of us then? confused

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 27-Jun-16 21:09:32

I can't think of anything worse than caramel latte. Leave coffee alone.

Jalima Mon 27-Jun-16 21:11:28

JCB cut 500 jobs last year
One of those made redundant was my DN, who has a young family.

granjura Mon 27-Jun-16 21:12:07

So agree about coffee- good coffee, black, no sugar. Thanks.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 27-Jun-16 21:19:25

It's quite an elitist article isn't it? Just running down "cultured" people. hmm I don't see the point in it. I suppose that's why it's in the Times. Perhaps that's the newspaper of choice for those people.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 27-Jun-16 21:21:26

I don't care what they said. But I suppose Libby Purvess would.

whitewave Mon 27-Jun-16 21:28:49

Given the fact that they are such a tiny minority, it does seem to have created a lot if hot air on here. Bit pointless really.

baNANAGran3 Mon 27-Jun-16 21:30:17

jingl - you said previously that no one read your posts (I know a joke) - just want to let you know that when I don't have time to read a very long thread, I actually scroll down to pick yours out - you make me laugh but also give good advice when asked for - (don't get big headed btw)....

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 27-Jun-16 21:31:35

Exactly.

Do you count yourself as being amongst the "culterati" Bags. Or do you think a lot of them read Gransnet?

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 27-Jun-16 21:32:41

* baNANAGran3 * of course I'm gonna get big headed after that! Who wouldn't?! grin

whitewave Mon 27-Jun-16 21:35:35

I don't read your posts so now your head can get back to normal grin

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 27-Jun-16 21:36:31

Yes you do! Fibber!

grin

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 27-Jun-16 21:37:34

moon (cos I'm too embarrassed to say anything else now blush)

Jalima Mon 27-Jun-16 21:45:55

But I have to love her, and someone else and I do
It's so hard to be a Christian sometimes grin

Jalima Mon 27-Jun-16 21:50:00

cupcake1 That was nothing to do with the EU and everything to do with Margaret Thatcher.
Interest rates were very high at that time in other countries too - 20% for a mortgage in Australia, which cannot have had anything to do with Margaret Thatcher.
however, might as well blame her for everything!

Jalima Mon 27-Jun-16 22:06:49

in my view : ALL OPENING POSTS SHOULD NEVER BE PEROSNALLY INSULTING.
In what way is it personally insulting to another Gransnetter? That is against the guidelines.

the answer is because the title that fed into our inboxes this morning fed the tone of this "conversation"
In case you do not know this is what it said : "As the hysterical left weep into their lattes".
It was an article in The Times.
If it was fed into your inbox and you didn't like the sound of it, I am puzzled as to why you looked at the thread. Just ignore those you don't like the sound of.

I voted remain, but pointed out that I am not hysterical or weeping (neither have I had a latte today). Neither do I believe that all brexiters are racists, bigots or xenophobes.
The debate is very heated, many people are upset at the result and everywhere assumptions about groups of voters are flying right, left and centre, (not meant as a pun).
Some are occasionally rude or insulting to another poster - that is when GN should intervene.

Jalima Mon 27-Jun-16 22:13:12

Well done Nonio for sticking with this thread for so long even though you found it upsetting.

Great stamina!

thatbags Mon 27-Jun-16 22:13:27

jings Do you count yourself as being amongst the "culterati" Bags. Or do you think a lot of them read Gransnet?

My answer: No, and no.

I'd never heard the term culterati until this morning. Wouldn't be surprised, actually, if LP had made it up.

cupcake1 Mon 27-Jun-16 22:15:25

Well said Jalima
I tried to answer that post but decided to abstain (probably would have been deleted anyway!) Yes let's blame Margaret Thatcher - the EU are totally blameless for anything and everything!

Bluecat Mon 27-Jun-16 22:33:40

It is obvious that not everyone who voted Leave is racist. Unfortunately, it is equally obvious that a lot of them are, and that - perhaps even worse - the vote has encouraged a lot of blatant racism, aimed not only at EU immigrants but at anyone from an ethnic minority. There have been a large number of instances of racist abuse and threats reported since the vote was announced.

It is not only we on the hysterical left who feel this way. Sayeeda Warsi, former chair of the Tory party and a prominent supporter of the Leave campaign until she quit over the racist tone of the campaign, said "This kind of nudge-nudge, wink-wink xenophobic racist campaign may be politically savvy or useful in the short term but it causes long term damage to communities." Sadly, very true.

Maggiemaybe Mon 27-Jun-16 23:01:32

So...

Because I suggest that we are not delicate blossoms that can't cope with robust discussion, I'm subjected to a string of insults. And a snide comment about witches from someone jumping right up there on the bandwagon.

I suggest GNHQ might have a quiet word and am told no. The reason given? Because Gransnet is a place for robust discussion, even though it might not always suit the faint hearted. Oh, the irony.

Good job I'm not a delicate blossom, isn't it?

Beammeupscottie Mon 27-Jun-16 23:11:35

Carry on Maggiemaybe I think you are great! Like you, I have no time for shrinking violets Why come on forums if you can't lunge and parry!

durhamjen Mon 27-Jun-16 23:13:03

Had to check that. Couldn't remember anything about witches. I think that was aimed at a few covens that we have on here, not personally at you, maggie.

durhamjen Mon 27-Jun-16 23:14:56

Is there anyone on here who hasn't been told by HQ that they appreciate robust discussion, usually when someone complains about one of your posts?

Beammeupscottie Mon 27-Jun-16 23:20:58

Why are women called witches as an insult? I think it is medieval. Men who talk robustly and forthrightly are not called warlocks.