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As the hysterical left weep into their lattes...

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thatbags Mon 27-Jun-16 06:45:30

Well said, Libby Purves and Peter Tatchell! Tatchell is quoted as saying "The left must listen to Brexit supporters and their concerns. Very wrong to dismiss them all as racists and xenophobes". Of those anguished 'hysterical lefties': "many of them mean well [ouch!] yet elitism erupted like a poisoned boil". Superb!

Elitism. The other thing the hysterical left whine about when they're not too busy calling anyone who doesn't agree with them a bigot. Yes. Quite. In spite of my high level of education, and my husband's, we both "get it" in a way that many with similar backgrounds don't seem to. Perhaps we still feel a connect to those of our families who were at the runt end of society only two generations ago. Perhaps we understand better the effect of "arrogant, incompetent Brussels institutions, and the decades when governments neglected inequality".

Purves does not skim over actual racism at all, but she says quite rightly that the vast majority of people are not racists or xenophobes. She's right.

Thank you, Libby Purves.

grannyqueenie Wed 29-Jun-16 22:34:02

Collective insanity seems a good summation of what's happening around us grannya. I think that probably worries me more than the actual result of the referendum itself which was depressing enough itself. Here's to common sense and compassion prevailing as we go forward

Tegan Wed 29-Jun-16 22:39:50

I was wondering how you were feeling now Granny activist, and thought of you last week as the horrors of that night unfolded.

Bellanonna Wed 29-Jun-16 23:15:42

sad

Bluecat Wed 29-Jun-16 23:28:49

Reports of racist incidents up by 57% between Thursday and Sunday...Now the racists think they've got the backing of the majority to unleash their hatred. Maybe they're wrong but they're certainly riding a wave of confidence, here in the UK and elsewhere in Europe, encouraged by Brexit's success.

I feel particularly sad because I live in an extremely multi-cultural city, Leicester, which has had a very good record for racial and religious tolerance for years. In fact, our city is often held up as a model of multi-culturalism. This week, for the first time I can remember, banners advertising the Muslim festival of Eid in a city centre park have been defaced by racist graffiti. Not only am I sad but also anxious, as my husband is Asian and our kids and grandkids are (obviously) mixed-race. Though the Asian community has nothing to do with the EU, the racist idiots boosted by the Leave vote don't seem to think that any "foreign" community should be spared their bile, even when the victims are second, third or even fourth generation Britons.

Tegan Wed 29-Jun-16 23:57:13

I'm sorry to hear that, Bluecat. I've always planned to go to the Diwali celebrations in Leicester....I do hope there won't be trouble then.I despair of all this.

thatbags Thu 30-Jun-16 08:28:04

Seems people are crying into their gin and tonics now: Anna Soubry anyway. See article below.

Andrea Leadsom, meanwhile, is reported as saying that there should no longer be any Leave MPs or any Remain MPs: "The people gave us their instructions and our job is to be implementers".

I agree with that.

Tim Montgomerie then goes on to argue in the same article that although Theresa May is a safe bet (Britain's Angela Merkel!), he would still like Boris to win the Tory leadership because " The country needs nothing less than a much more socially mobile capitalism where the rich may get poorer and the poor can get richer. Two of Boris Johnson's principle backers – Michael Gove and David Davis – have written powerfully about the need for thoroughgoing reform of the economic system. I have seen few signs from Theresa May that she is the kind of bold reformer that the times demand".

I agree with the sentence I've bolded as well.

thatbags Thu 30-Jun-16 08:34:29

BTW, the very next article in the same paper is by Jenni Russell arguing that Downing Street is no place for bumbling Boris.

whitewave Thu 30-Jun-16 08:34:34

If I could believe that I would be so relieved. Need to see policies first. But don't forget this is a period of leadership elections. We know that politicians lie. We can only look for the truth in past policies and who and what they have supported in the past.

thatbags Thu 30-Jun-16 08:37:05

However, her second sentence blows her argument for me because she says the UK might break apart because of Boris!

Somehow, I don't think she has been paying attention to the SNP. Nothing new there then hmm

GandTea Thu 30-Jun-16 08:59:22

It would be awful if the Diwali festival was marred by racism. As BC says Leicester is a well integrated multi cultural city. During her student days, she lived in one of the Asian quarters and never felt anything other than welcome.
Leicester may have voted to remain, but it was close, therefore many Asians etc, must have voted to leave.

thatbags Thu 30-Jun-16 09:10:05

ww, I know what you're saying about politicans lying but don't think we can only look at past policies and who/what they have supported in the past, though I agree that is one place to look. Looking only at the past will give us an incomplete picture if we don't also look at their political philosophy.

Look at how much Barack Obama has been unable to achieve, for instance, in spite of his political philosophy, in spite of his efforts to reform certain things. I think we do need to give politicians some credit for wanting to do what they think is right even if they can't achieve it because politics is messy and full of opposition and compromise. And even if we don't agree with their ideas.

Anya Thu 30-Jun-16 09:17:59

And look at what has been achieved and less at what hasn't yet been achieved.

No one party has all the answers, all the best policiies and always gets it right. This rigid adherence to one side of the political spectrum is counterproductive.

OK there can be a general principle or philosophy that taps into our own preferred vision of society, but that should not blind us to reality.

Izabella Sun 10-Jul-16 09:18:11

Excellent post Anya

granjura Sun 10-Jul-16 09:29:31

Anya, could you kindly make a list of things that have been achieved since the Brexit vote. It would help me a lot. thanks.

granjura Wed 13-Jul-16 18:36:00

Waited for 3 days- but that list of post Brexit achievements seems VERY short indeed. Please.

Stansgran Wed 13-Jul-16 18:37:50

Rome was not built in a day. Someone said.

Ana Wed 13-Jul-16 18:38:46

And we haven't even Brexited yet!

Badenkate Wed 13-Jul-16 18:44:06

I saw a great post on Facebook today which suggested that we turn off British politics for 10 seconds and then turn it on again, and maybe it'll all be sorted out! Made me laugh anyway grin

Jalima Wed 13-Jul-16 18:48:40

It sometimes works with the computer, but not always Badenkate grin

It was Philippe of Alsace - allegedly - Stansgran !
www.italiannotebook.com/local-interest/origin-rome-wasnt-built-in-a-day/

rosesarered Wed 13-Jul-16 19:37:13

Oh, Phil, he said lots of things, he liked his bon mots, and he sometimes said them in French and sometimes in German.grin

granjura Thu 21-Jul-16 15:00:22

The other day, I posted to the effect I felt quite depressed and unsettled since the Referendum - and some of you replied that that was 'bizarre'. Well, I am not crying in my latter, as I always have coffee black.

But was sort of 'pleased' today, to read an article in yesterday's Cambridge News- that I am definitely not the only one. The journalist is Freya Leng and the title 'Are you feeling the effects of 'Deprexit'. She talks about Mark Gawlinsky, a Cambridge Counsellor, who has found that a significant proportion of the population feels that way- especially in areas, like Cambridge, where the REMAIN majority was clear- and the result came as a massive shock.

And for those who find my feelings 'weird' - I wonder how they would feel if, apart from the above- they are now at 45% of income, partly due to Brexit. Yeah- that hurts!

granjura Thu 21-Jul-16 15:06:59

“Divisions are hardening in some families and communities, some are unsure whether they want to stay here and some no longer feel safe in the place they call home," he said. “These kind of problems following the vote, which are affecting both UK and non-UK citizens, should perhaps be called 'Deprexit' – a condition that can be difficult to shake.“

Mr Gawlinski, said fortunately, therapists have a way of understanding and helping through the idea of a psychological 'rupture', which happens when a person or group of people you have an important relationship with does something that leaves you feeling fundamentally misunderstood, undervalued or excluded.

Read more at www.cambridge-news.co.uk/are-you-feeling-the-effects-of-8216-deprexit-8217/story-29534856-detail/story.html#OX4P3pQOXWChPxRf.99

Tegan Thu 21-Jul-16 15:12:57

Yep; I'm still down, as is the S.O. and DD. However, would not be feeling this way if I thought that some people were actually better off because of it. But I'm not seeing it yet.

granjura Thu 21-Jul-16 15:18:08

I've had many e-mails and phone calls from relatives and mostly younger friends in the UK who were really upset and felt sick and so upset about what is happening in the UK- and really concerned for the financial consequences for us personally- as they know we have taken a huge hit.

obieone Thu 21-Jul-16 15:21:26

And yet the IMF and I can;t remember who else are now saying "Boom Britain" or somesuch.