As the hysterical left weep into their lattes...

whitewave - I have seen you argue at a personal level. Well, not argue exactly, but make cutting remarks.

I don't know what your motives are WW but some of your recent posts are wildly off the mark and cringeworthy.

Could you expand on that anya?

Why don't you read through some of your recents posts yourself and see if you can understand where I'm coming from first.

I have

Be grateful for a reply anya

anya unless you are willing to provide e vidence for your personal remark, I would prefer that you withdrew it.

OK ! Washerwoman, you're better than whitewave, feel better now ?

But whitewave you're the MAN.

but quite honestly feel

Oooer - this sounds like a game of top trumps (lol) - my family / friends are better qualified/ captains of industry etc. Than yours and voted leave...anecdotal or what . Not exactly a social scientific survey, but some people wouldn't recognise that if it was staring them in the face, because they happen to know someone who doesn't fit the generalised profiles.

Anya, your personal attacks are just so unpleasant and uncalled for

Oooer - this sounds like a game of top trumps (lol) - my family / friends are better qualified/ captains of industry etc. Than yours and voted leave...anecdotal or what . Not exactly a social scientific survey, but some people wouldn't recognise that if it was staring them in the face, because they happen to know someone who doesn't fit the generalised profiles.
rather a rude post suzied and not at all what was said or meant as I was just trying to explain that perhaps one should not stereotype categorise voters. It was certainly not a game of trumps as you put it and certainly more than some one.
I think whitewave knows what I meant and I thought we had agreed to blame the use of semantics rather than anything else.

Let's all agree to move on.
I have said my bit to Anya, she has not chosen to reply, well the ball is her court and she has clearly not chosen to pick it up and run with it. I therefore have concluded that she didn't mean what she said, so have now chosen to forget it.

Agreed Jalima- and yet- statistics do give an overall picture no anecdotal personal experience can give. Let's get away from Brexit here, and turn to the Trump situation. Are you really telling me there is no profile of the 'typical' Trump voter? Do they really come from a very wide section of the population? Yes, there are some Trump voters with Degrees (I know some personally btw)- but there is definitely a profile there. Ignoring it would be disingenuous, really.

Well Trump certainly knows the profile, you can tell that by his rhetoric.

Sorry WW for not replying but I've been out and just back now. Let me explain. By 'recent' I meant post Brexit and a little while before.

I often read your posts before the tone changed somewhat and considered them well thought-out and measured. Even if I disagreed without I liked the rationality if your arguments and would often respond positively to them. This was in contrast to some others who's posts I prefer to skip over or ignore as they lack ....well let's not go there.
I was especially impressed with the research you did into the health care offered by other countries and how you set out the facts and contrasted and compared the services provided.
But it seems to me the tone and quality of your posts altered when the referendum was under discussion and after the result.
I'll give you just one example and that is the suggestion that those who voted for Brexit had commonality with Trump supporters.
I hope that explains my post but if not then ok just let it pass.

Apologies for typos... using small keypad on mobile.

Well that is better put- why not have done so the first time ?

Certainly I can totally understand how the frustration ande disbelief of what happened during and after the campaign, and the result- have made people so passionate that at times posts may have seemed not a 'balanced' (not sure that is the right word, but it will have to do) from many posters on both sides.

Cringeworthy is such a useful word is it not?

anya thank you for your reply. Well I think you will find that the "experts" (I know it isn't fashionable to talk of them at the moment) agree that the voting population is extremely disallusioned with the political world and what they see as elite. In particular the working class and those who haven't benefited from the global economy.

The result is that they are voting in particular to "punish" what they see as those politicians who have not supported them in the times of austerity etc. So in the UK Brexit benefited from this disallusionment and clearly exploited this problem in their pre-referendum rhetoric, and exactly the same is happening in the States. The poor have been badly hit, they are blaming the political elite and are supporting Trump. Particularly the white working class man.

One other thing that I would like to add. Please don't be under the allusion that I criticise those who voted the way they did because of the situation in which they find themselves. Being poor in America must be quite dreadful, and not a lot better here except at the moment we do have a safety net.

However that doesn't mean that I would agree with Bre xit - I don't. At the moment I can never see that I ever would be pursuaded that it is the better option, and the longer this goes on the more alarmed I am at the end result.

OK I can see that point of view and agree to some extent WW but I feel that the motives behind the rise of Trump is far more sinister than that, especially from the 'redneck' element of American society, and from the middle classes who are comparatively well off and showing ill-disguised racism and hated of poor blacks and Hispanics.
He is a hateful character and dispised by most Brexiters believe me.

Yes I absolutely agree, with regard Trump. Farage is out of the same stable, as is Penn and a number of other right wing political leaders in Europe.

How do you know what most Brexiters think of Trump, Anya?

Farage on Trump - latest:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/nigel-farage-donald-trump-republican-convention-muslims-us-election-2016-a7153206.html
Nigel Farage says Donald Trump's anti-Muslim rhetoric makes him 'very uncomfortable'