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As the hysterical left weep into their lattes...

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thatbags Mon 27-Jun-16 06:45:30

Well said, Libby Purves and Peter Tatchell! Tatchell is quoted as saying "The left must listen to Brexit supporters and their concerns. Very wrong to dismiss them all as racists and xenophobes". Of those anguished 'hysterical lefties': "many of them mean well [ouch!] yet elitism erupted like a poisoned boil". Superb!

Elitism. The other thing the hysterical left whine about when they're not too busy calling anyone who doesn't agree with them a bigot. Yes. Quite. In spite of my high level of education, and my husband's, we both "get it" in a way that many with similar backgrounds don't seem to. Perhaps we still feel a connect to those of our families who were at the runt end of society only two generations ago. Perhaps we understand better the effect of "arrogant, incompetent Brussels institutions, and the decades when governments neglected inequality".

Purves does not skim over actual racism at all, but she says quite rightly that the vast majority of people are not racists or xenophobes. She's right.

Thank you, Libby Purves.

daphnedill Mon 27-Jun-16 11:03:47

@Elegran

I had forgotten you'd voted Remain - I didn't keep a tally.

Believe it or not, I would like to see a better way, too.

I've hated the way society has been drifting over the last few years and my fear is that this way has now been endorsed.

I think those who are hoping for some kind of bloodless revolution are going to be very disappointed. I think we're going to see more of the same, but turbo charged and with even less money to go round.

I'm aware, by the way, that at least one of my acquaintances who considers himself a revolutionary hmm voted for Leave, because he sees it as the first stage as overthrowing the ruling classes. Yeah well! I can't see him pulling together any more than Britain First or the EDL. Meanwhile, an awful lot of people are going to have their lives changed, while the despised elite continue to rub their hands in glee.

Tegan Mon 27-Jun-16 11:04:23

Millbrook.Please stay. I was on the phone for an hour last night speaking to my daughter; she's appalled at what is happening in this country.I don't know how people can sleep at night who voted leave knowing that it could result in their children losing their jobs. Keep thinking of the John Lennon song....

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 27-Jun-16 11:04:30

The original post linked to an article written by a journalist. Take it with a pinch of salt.

It's true that the reaction from many of the Remainers towards the Leavers has been ugly, but Libby P doesn't seem to allow for initial shock. It's just an article. Written to fill a newspaper. hmm

MammaN Mon 27-Jun-16 11:05:38

I like Europe and I like to think of us as part of Europe. I think of myself as European.

I'm not racist. I don't want to stop people coming into this country. We have always had immigrants and over time as they integrate it makes the country more diverse and interesting.

I voted Leave for many reasons. One of these reasons was the immigration issue; I think the sheer numbers and potential numbers makes our situation in the UK untenable. We are a relatively small island and need to have some control/selection mechanism which allows people to come in to fill jobs and balance our economy. I doubt if Mr Cameron's deal achieved much at all as I believe most people who have come in from Europe are workers - and very good workers at that. On an Australian points system these people would still come in if their skills were needed but we would be able to control the numbers.

My main and overriding issue is the EU State - the aim seems to be to grow exponentially. What began as a small number of countries working together for the good of all has developed into an unwieldy beast where individual countries have lost control, identity and self respect e.g Greece. I am sure we're all aware of Design by Committee and I think this sums up the EU.

I thought long and hard about my vote and knew there would be many difficulties. In fact, as is common in these matters, many threatened problems will dissolve. We were threatened with consequences if we didn't go into the Euro - in fact the £ thrived. We held our breath as we came into this century because potentially all computer systems would fail. Did anything happen? I don't think so.

The biggest problem at the moment is the continual backlash and argument. Please can we just knuckle down and get on with it.

daphnedill Mon 27-Jun-16 11:06:12

I do take it with a pinch of salt. Considering Libby Purves has spent her whole life connected to the theatre and is one of the 'elite' herself, I think it's grossly hypocritical.

Synonymous Mon 27-Jun-16 11:07:15

maddyone I will second that!

Many years ago when my children were at school there were sayings to counteract childish spite like:

"What you say is what you are"

And

"When you point a finger at someone else it means you are pointing more at yourself"

We are supposed to be the grown ups! sad

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 27-Jun-16 11:07:22

dd your post of 11.03.57 is ridiculous.

Is neuroticism creeping into this thread?

daphnedill Mon 27-Jun-16 11:07:29

@Mamma

What exactly do you mean by 'knuckling down'? It sounds like the kind of thing a Girl Guide leader would say when there's a downpour while on a hike.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 27-Jun-16 11:08:03

47 not 57 sorry

Joelsnan Mon 27-Jun-16 11:08:06

Durhamjen 100% are fearful, but some are prepared to take a lep of father rather than wallow in a deteriorating state. One gives a potential for improvement, one does not.

daphnedill Mon 27-Jun-16 11:08:12

Why is it ridiculous? It happens to be factual.

Joelsnan Mon 27-Jun-16 11:08:40

Should say faith ...doh!

daphnedill Mon 27-Jun-16 11:09:33

I DO hate the way society has been drifting and the lack of concern and/or blinkered approach to people who have been suffering from cuts and an endemic 'I'm alright Jack' attitude.

MammaN Mon 27-Jun-16 11:15:10

Knuckle down:
1. Apply oneself seriously to some task or goal

durhamjen Mon 27-Jun-16 11:18:11

voxpoliticalonline.com/2016/06/27/uk-racists-emboldened-by-leave-vote-strong-language/

Just for balance.

durhamjen Mon 27-Jun-16 11:19:48

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Legs55 Mon 27-Jun-16 11:20:13

I heard this morning that everybody who voted leave live in areas where there are no immigrants!!!! - so how does that explain Midlands, North East & where I now live in Devon although very rural there are problems in major towns & cities with migration. I am not racist, well educated & have had many friends of different ethnic backgrounds.

I was also shocked to hear that many under 25s do not think the older generation should have been allowed to vote on their future - I am only 60 & do not envisage "falling off my perch" anytime soon (my Mum is 87) so it is my future as well.

I hope eveyone pulls together Banks, Financial Markets, the Business Community & the general Public for a brighter future

Elegran Mon 27-Jun-16 11:21:43

So we (including you) get on with the job of pulling society together again, making sure those affected are supported, that the economy too is supported in whatever way it can be, whatever way we believe will be effective. Being fearful shouldn't stop anyone doing that - and persuading others into being fearful by our example feeds panic and paralysis.

Sheilasue Mon 27-Jun-16 11:24:09

Sorry to hear that trisher your Son and many like him will be very worried I am sure.thats why I voted in for the young people of this country I know how much they want to stay in and it's their future we have to think off. My daughter is not sure how things will go now with her job and my grandaughter will be going into year 11 after summer holidays to do her gcsce's what will her future hold. Don't think that the people who voted out realise what they have done.

leeds22 Mon 27-Jun-16 11:26:28

I am not an hysterical leftie but a middle of the road conservative voter and I am weeping into my cappuccino. What have the Brexiteers done to this country.

Anniebach Mon 27-Jun-16 11:28:31

obieone, I never think of people as 'sorts of people' I speak to people with different political views. To Christians, Muslims, buddists,atheists. Pagens. To builders. Priests. Farmers. To people with mental health problems. To unemployed, to people who need food banks. To friends of the royals. This week I have a visit from a traveller who calls several times a year on her way through to England - always keep a can of lager in the fridge for her , she is lovely and so wise. I am chairman of the local Labour Party . I belong to a group who support several orphanages in Romania our Gurkha community and others . They are not sorts of people, they are people who live different life styles , OK?

Anniebach Mon 27-Jun-16 11:35:01

There are reports of an increase of vile racist sbuse since last Thursdsy, Johnson & Co have given these people the belief they are now free to be openly racist . I am really distressed by the fact the referendum has broken up the country .

Skullduggery Mon 27-Jun-16 11:37:03

Jinglebells
Did you read all of my post? I'm not panicking at all.
I'm living somewhere that will ultimately benefit from Brexit.

It's the friends and family left behind in the UK, I feel sorry for.

You're OUT. Objective achieved.
There is no plan going forward.

Cut off your nose to spite your face is an apt phrase in the circumstances. grin

Swanny Mon 27-Jun-16 11:55:31

MammaN "The biggest problem at the moment is the continual backlash and argument." Oh so true, with the same hysteria and ignorant (meaning: lack of knowledge) assumptions touted as filled the newspapers when this country joined the common market, only from opposite sides now.

This referendum was for the people of this country to make their decision with regard to the EU, irrespective of their individual political views or party politics. We don't know what will happen until the discussions have taken place - which could take years to complete. In the meantime all channels of the media are doing very nicely thank you, earning a nice little profit on the back of sensationalism, rhetoric and fear.

GillT57 Mon 27-Jun-16 11:57:16

well, I am frightened for the future of the Uk and angry that many people have voted based on information that is fast being shown as fiction and lies. I get really annoyed by the 'we did it after the war, lets all pull together' crap. Do you really think this is what we want? Is this what you want for your children and grandchildren? Do you really honestly think that the multinational banks and investment houses will stay and help plucky little Britain?. I despair at the ageist comments from the young voters though, this is just as bad as the racism which the nasty side of society seems to think is approved policy now that the country has voted leave. I am not a luvvie, deeply resent the sneering tone in which that was said, I am a small business owner, and I have had to explain to my lovely Eastern European employee that we dont all feel the same as the people who have posted go home notices through her door.