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thatbags Mon 27-Jun-16 06:45:30

Well said, Libby Purves and Peter Tatchell! Tatchell is quoted as saying "The left must listen to Brexit supporters and their concerns. Very wrong to dismiss them all as racists and xenophobes". Of those anguished 'hysterical lefties': "many of them mean well [ouch!] yet elitism erupted like a poisoned boil". Superb!

Elitism. The other thing the hysterical left whine about when they're not too busy calling anyone who doesn't agree with them a bigot. Yes. Quite. In spite of my high level of education, and my husband's, we both "get it" in a way that many with similar backgrounds don't seem to. Perhaps we still feel a connect to those of our families who were at the runt end of society only two generations ago. Perhaps we understand better the effect of "arrogant, incompetent Brussels institutions, and the decades when governments neglected inequality".

Purves does not skim over actual racism at all, but she says quite rightly that the vast majority of people are not racists or xenophobes. She's right.

Thank you, Libby Purves.

whitewave Mon 27-Jun-16 10:42:38

joelsnan it all amounts to the same thing.

Cherrytree59 Mon 27-Jun-16 10:43:29

I know JCB company. Have friends that are employed by them. They all speak very highly of the company. Many have their chlidren at the acadamy. They also have a health scheme.
JCB lay off when they have to and then will take the workers if the want back on again asap when they get a new contract. Many of they long term workers have shares in the company.
Sorry if this doesn't fit in with the..
We Are All Doomed!

durhamjen Mon 27-Jun-16 10:44:34

Elegran, all I can hope is that the Dunkirk spirit comes through, and that we can rescue the NHS from its moribund state as happened after the war.
How much was it promised? £350 million a week?

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 27-Jun-16 10:45:34

Skullduggery your ridiculous post smacks of blind panic. Not good.

Calm down and wait and see what happens next.

In the meantime, take a walk.

Beammeupscottie Mon 27-Jun-16 10:45:59

We must all go out of our way to be very nice and positive to the immigrants we come across as an antidote to this vote which is seen as some as a racist charter.
My neighbour has just told me she voted in for Queen and Country. Stupid woman who incidentally lives in a £750,000 home and has a second home on Malta. God rot her.

daphnedill Mon 27-Jun-16 10:46:06

Good! Thanks for the info.

I have friends employed employed in the pharmaceutical and science research fields. Their companies make billions in exports for the UK. One has already been warned that his job is at risk of being relocated to France or Germany.

daphnedill Mon 27-Jun-16 10:46:57

grin Beammeupscottie

Elegran Mon 27-Jun-16 10:47:40

dd The challenge to Government is to bloody well GET everyone working together for the sake of the whole country.

If everyone voted for people who made that their priority and had the vision to produce policies that would promote it, and employed speechwriters who could inspire unity, there would be more chance of that succeeding.

As it is, too many of the candidates who are voted in to power, at all levels and from right across the political spectrum, are divisive, not unifying. Party politics has become all-important.

daphnedill Mon 27-Jun-16 10:48:05

@dj

I'm not sure that Leavers want to be reminded of small boats in the Channel.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 27-Jun-16 10:48:16

"God rot her"! shock Talk about venom! hmm

Joelsnan Mon 27-Jun-16 10:49:08

Daphnedill Europeans are the same race as Brits, how then can we be racist in this instance?

Synonymous Mon 27-Jun-16 10:50:21

Being in this country at present must be like it was in Iceland when they experienced a similar kind of seismic shift and at that point nobody there knew how things were going to pan out either.

And no I don't think it would have been like this if remain had won since it would generally have been expected to be 'the same old, same old'. Granted that some of us had different expectations of what would happen next but little would have come as a surprise.

It is understandable that there is so much angst at present since so many people have never had experience of life outside the EU. They have never known what it is like to live in a proper democracy because this has been deliberately and systematically eroded over the years.

Iceland has emerged stronger and more united than ever before and so can the UK if we all pull together.
We can certainly do this too if we focus on the future and show a united front rather than looking like a pushover to the rest of the world.

daphnedill Mon 27-Jun-16 10:52:47

@Elegran

Can you honestly see any government doing that? There has been absolutely nothing to stop them over the last few decades, but we've seen a gradual drift to finance and the South East. Places such as Liverpool had massive funding from the EU for regeneration after Howe suggested to Thatcher suggested it should be allowed to decline.

I would love to see a government investing in the North, housing and infrastructure, but it's even less likely now that any foreign investment will find its way to the UK.

The people now fighting to be PM have a history of not showing any interest in the poor.

Cherrytree59 Mon 27-Jun-16 10:52:56

WHAT A LOT OF NASTY PEOPLE!

God rot her

You are Deliberately stirring up fear.

Joelsnan Mon 27-Jun-16 10:53:44

well said Synonymous

daphnedill Mon 27-Jun-16 10:54:16

@Joelsnan

OK! Point taken! Substitute that for xenophobia (makes you wonder why Farage produced that poster).

daphnedill Mon 27-Jun-16 10:55:28

Oh dear Cherrytree! Is that the first time you've seen stirring up on this thread? The OP was divisive from the start.

durhamjen Mon 27-Jun-16 10:55:46

My dad was at Dunkirk, daphne.
I wonder how many boats are coming over here now with asylum seekers, having been allowed to leave by the Calais burghers.

Elegran Mon 27-Jun-16 10:56:10

DJ "Tell me about this 'better' way." I voted to remain, remember? You need someone who knows all about that "better" type of horticulture, not me. It was the leave campaigners who advocated a "better" way.

I just want people to stop fighting and destroying the crops, and get on with cultivating the garden. Don't beat MY ears please, for preferring that you cease beating other people's.

durhamjen Mon 27-Jun-16 10:56:36

Daphne, the one white man in the front was hidden by the wording.

daphnedill Mon 27-Jun-16 10:56:52

How do you suggest we 'pull together' Synonomous?

anglogallois Mon 27-Jun-16 10:58:04

Ludicrous to suggest that only lefties voted Remain. Yes some lefties did but I for one am not a leftie, far from it. Sure not all those who voted Brexit are not racists but I'm pretty sure all racists who voted did vote exit. My belief is that the Brexit campaign was well run and managed to grab a few false headlines (control of immigration, £350 million etc) which have already been denied and dumped. If you bought a car and the next day it would only go half as fast as the advertised speed you would be pretty annoyed and have rights to recourse. The only recourse against politicians is to sack them eventually, but they keep all their generous pensions and benefits. I live in Europe but have a non EU wife and a British child but our continuing ability to live where we do is under severe threat. My pension income has already fallen considerably and may continue to do so. the Brexit campaign won but there is now a huge vacuum and it seems it won't be resolved for many months. Investment in new projects and products will be on hold. Jobs will be lost. Trade deals will take time to negotiate and may be on bad terms; there are only 20 qualified trade deal negotiators in the whole of the UK. Times will be interesting to say the least; I venture to suggest that there will be few beneficiaries. Some will suffer greatly, and it appears that some will take great pleasure from that, especially the racists.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 27-Jun-16 10:59:31

daphnedill why don't you find another outlet for your anger? I think it's time to let it go. It's beginning to sound unhealthy.

The country itself hasn't really changed.

Alea Mon 27-Jun-16 10:59:49

It does seem we're damned if we do, and damned if we don't though doesn't it.
I mean (not a thread about a thread) the screams of abuse at criticism of the thinking (or lack of it) and the misguided motivation behind MUCH of the LEAVE voting. Misguided motivation connived at by Farage. Much spleen was vented at the aspersions being cast at LEAVE voters on the thread which has now been deleted but can still be read on other threads . Now Libby Purves is saying (I think) that there is a danger of deflecting the blame from the real culprits -the government and politicians/bureaucrats here and in Europe - and that some of our more articulate, and usually metropolitan literati/artystocracy are bleating rather than facing up to the political consequences.
Or as the hashtag says
#blameCameronnotyourGran

durhamjen Mon 27-Jun-16 10:59:57

Cherrytree, I think the worst thing Boris has done today - so far - is to come out of his house and announce that project fear is over, thereby dismissing 50% of the population.
Some of us are still very afraid and getting more so with every utterance from Brexit.