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Could Labour 'split'. Tom Watson calls off talks.

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POGS Sat 09-Jul-16 11:42:10

It is being reported Labour Deputy Leader Tom Watson has called off 'talks's with the Unions/Len McCluskey over Jeremy Corbyns future and refusal to 'stand down'. He is being reported as saying 'There is no realistic prospect of reaching a compromise'

Obvious signs have been there , (noted from the beginning of Corbyn becoming leader for political anoraks) but is this perhaps a challenge that 'if' it does happen might just 'split' Labour into the Parliamentary Labour Party and another group finally calling themselves 'Momentum' as an official opposition party?

There have been a few voices suggesting a Labour Leadership challenge could happen on Monday 'maybe' they are correct.

Interesting to watch.

Anniebach Sun 24-Jul-16 20:43:01

I do beg your pardon Eleothan, I was about to reply but i yawned

Anniebach Sun 24-Jul-16 20:41:54

Oh it was written about, you didn't witness it?

trisher Sun 24-Jul-16 20:06:44

Much more a case of the kettle calling the pot black,as my nan used to say obeione.

you didn't need to be there Annie, much has been written about it.

Eloethan Sun 24-Jul-16 19:51:57

Ms Malhotra resigned on 26 June - 28 days ago. When does the office assigned to her in her previous position cease being her private office?

Anniebach You repeat over and over again the same allegations of anti-semitism, bullying, etc., etc., re Corbyn and his supporters. Following your example, I would again refer to the various posts you made in March this year, in particular:

The hatred [of Jewish people] seemed to halt following WW2, now it has gone to the other extreme - any race can be criticised but not the Jews, criticise any Jew and one is anti-semitic.

You at first denied any knowledge of the thread and your contributions to it. Having provided you with the thread name, its date and originator and some of your own comments, you then said that I was "losing the plot" and was a "very silly woman". No word of an apology for implying that I had made the whole thing up or any explanation as to why you had used what Venus had described as inflammatory language.

I realise that many people on here prefer to pass this disagreement off as a petty irrelevance but my point is that one of the most vocal critics of Corbyn, who has on many occasions suggested that he is untrustworthy, hypocritical and, in particular implied that he is an anti-semite, has herself previously made statements that were deemed by some to be anti-semitic - and when confronted with the evidence chooses instead to insult rather than explain.

Anniebach Sun 24-Jul-16 19:45:19

Obieone, it's a good mantra

Anniebach Sun 24-Jul-16 19:44:34

Trisher, I wasn't in no 10 so must accept your word for the bullying thst sent on.

Big difference in a back room of government to an arena with several thousand people , you seem to think not.

You also mocked a woman who defended herself the only way she could after she was verbally abused and threatened with deselection , you said she was moaning and others have cancer and get on with it .

I find your hardness against people unpleasant and at times distasteful , a good example of many drawn to Corbyn

obieone Sun 24-Jul-16 19:36:42

Two wrongs don't make a right.
I feel this is becoming my gransnet mantra! grin

trisher Sun 24-Jul-16 19:31:21

Anniebach what do you imagine goes on in the back rooms of government? A lot of gentlemanly behaviour with MPs carefully discussing matters and reaching a mutual agreement, then shaking hands and patting each other on the back? Compared with what we know went on in Blair's government this is gentler politics. Everyone knows that Alistair Campbell was renowned for his profanities and bullying "F*****g losers" was nothing!

Anniebach Sun 24-Jul-16 18:41:42

, walking into a private office against security rules is acceptable, mocking a woman who defended herself with a full explanation of the problems she had trying to work and have cancer treatment - she did this after being attacked for resigning her job , accusing her of moaning. Saying it's acceptable to call fellow MP's f*****g losers

This is an example of Corbyns gentler politics? Too funny

Anniebach Sun 24-Jul-16 18:34:21

So you would walk into a private office Gracesgran in full knowledge it was against any rules?

Devorgilla Sun 24-Jul-16 18:27:19

Can't agree with you, Gracesgran, on this not being a serious issue. If it is a general office no problem. If it is a 'personal' office with your trusted staff and confidential material then there is an issue. Given that it is our centre of Government I expect watertight security and strict adherence to the rules.

Gracesgran Sun 24-Jul-16 18:10:51

I am afraid I am finding quite a lot of this he said, she said very pathetic.

Someone goes into and office ... so??? Have I missed something - I didn't think they were four year olds.

Beammeupscottie Sun 24-Jul-16 17:05:04

Probably less fuss would have been made if she wasn't MacCluskie's "creature". I do think Corbyn would be weakened if he lost his big fan; the Unite leader. Therefore to target MacCluskie would be politically tactical.

Anniebach Sun 24-Jul-16 17:01:43

How can the party do snything now Daphne? Parliment is in recess and the MP's are fighting to prevent being deselected , Corbyn did issue a warning they would, on face book if they write sny thing they get stacks of replies stating - deselection. Police are investigating rape threats , this is the gentler politics Corbyn stands for

daphnedill Sun 24-Jul-16 16:44:13

Who knows what this woman's real motivation was for going into the office, but she's no novice and should have known better.

If she loses her job, I'm sure another one will be found. Being disgraced doesn't have the same penalties as it it does for other mortals. Every time I look at Liam Fox's smug face, I look to see if he has Werritty in tow. I know it's a different party, but the Conservatives just don't tend to wash their dirty linen in public.

Rather than fretting about whether she will lose her job, I wish the Labour Party would stop squabbling and worry about the poor sods out there who are really losing their jobs or have zero-hours contracts.

Anniebach Sun 24-Jul-16 16:38:28

McDonald said she is a widow with children who could lose her job, mmmmmmmm

Beammeupscottie Sun 24-Jul-16 16:31:37

This is the disgraced Falkirk Unite candidate, I presume. If she loses this job, where will he put her next?

Anniebach Sun 24-Jul-16 16:26:32

Good grief,

daphnedill Sun 24-Jul-16 16:12:52

Sorry! Should have written Karie Murphy (the office manager) and Falkirk.

daphnedill Sun 24-Jul-16 16:10:14

Google Labour Party Falkirk selection. The whole thing is just getting beyond farce.

Anniebach Sun 24-Jul-16 16:04:08

I have never been good telling them obieone

obieone Sun 24-Jul-16 15:59:34

I never did get jokes blush

Anniebach Sun 24-Jul-16 15:57:07

Joke obieone

Andrew Rawnskey has written a great piece in the observer, he comments on Corbyn looking happy with a summer of only momentum rally's , no mixing with labour MP's no challenging the oposition

obieone Sun 24-Jul-16 15:53:52

Hang on. Isnt M15 supposed to be on the anti-Corbyn side? confused

Oh I see. I think? Frame her?

No, I dont get it at all.

Anniebach Sun 24-Jul-16 15:39:01

Perhaps she works for MI5, McCluskey did say they were involved in dirty tricks !

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