Theresa May

Words? word.

Something else for Theresa May to think about; there has been a rise of 21% in zero hours contracts since this time last year.
She said she would do something about zero hours contracts, so I hope she keeps her words.

None of them wen/go to crap comprehensives

I read that as 'My GC went to comprehensives, but they weren't crap' rather than 'comprehensives are crap'.

I went to a direct grant grammar school (a sort of hybrid between a private school and grammar school) with a 'free place'. I'm not ashamed of it. I was quite unhappy there, but it probably suited me at the time. My children went to a comprehensive and followed an almost identical curriculum to the one I did. The big difference is that the school offers a differentiated curriculum, so that while some pupils learn Latin (for example), others are learning bricklaying. It is not a 'one size fits all' school.

Even pandering to a minority about grammar schools (and we don't know what the plans are) risks reintroducing a formalised segregated education system, which isn't appropriate today.

There was no Australian spokesperson. I was quoting him as well, just said Australian spokesperson instead of repeating the name.

David Davis said that he would expect the negotiatinbg phase to be concluded within 12 to 24 months.
He also said that within two years and before anything material had changed, we can negotiate a free trade area massively bigger than the EU.

What size is Australia's population?
What size is the EU's population?

Do carry on showing yourself up in your usual snide way.

*Formal negotiations would have to wait until Brexit had been completed, but....Mr Ciobo said he had offered to loan Australian experts to the UK for the talks.

After their meeting in London, Mr Fox and Mr Ciobo agreed that officials would meet twice a year to discuss the parameters of what both sides said they hoped would be an "ambitious and comprehensive" deal*

Sounds good enough to me. What bit don't you get DJ.... informal talks are ongoing and I wasn't quoting some anonymous 'Australian spokesperson* but Mr Ciobo himself.

Anyway I've done you the unusual courtesy of replying to your demands questions.

Anything else will be pointless, as per usual.

I meant the blue-link article was spreading disinformation and lies Ana not DJ we would never accuse her of that.

The problem was that the blue link within her link actually led to the original story, part of which I posted above. Goes to prove you shouldn't just take something at face value without digging deeper.

I taught in comprehensives. They work.

'Australian trade minister Steven Ciobo predicted an agreement between the countries "when the time is right".

But with the UK unable to sign deals while still in the European Union, he said an agreement would not be able to happen until the UK left the EU in two-and-a-half years' time.'

'Based on the UK triggering the two-year long Article 50 process of leaving the EU in the first half of 2017, he said such a deal would be "at least two and a half years off".

So what don't you understand, Anya?
It's going to be at least two and a half years before the negotiations start properly with the UK.
Is that the truth or not?
Is that what it said in Political Scrapbook or not?

This is what David Davis said.

' I would expect the new Prime Minister on September 9th to immediately trigger a large round of global trade deals with all our most favoured trade partners. I would expect that the negotiation phase of most of them to be concluded within between 12 and 24 months.

So within two years, before the negotiation with the EU is likely to be complete, and therefore before anything material has changed, we can negotiate a free trade area massively larger than the EU.'

Is he wrong, according to the Australian spokesperson?
Australia are NOT going to negotiate before we have left the EU.

One size fits all or it is not comprehensive? - like the Procrustean bed, where Procrustes would make sure that his guests fitted the bed - by chopping off overhanging feet and putting arms and legs into a vice to pull them longer.

We don't want that for our children, surely? No, comprehensive means that the education is adjustable to fit all sizes and shapes and interests. Fitting that all into one timetable takes some doing.

Grammar schools were the answer to the lack of free education for those with a more academic bent, who needed a more challenging curriculum than the one which had provided a stream of young people educated up to the age of 14 or so and destined for life in service or routine jobs. It was difficult for these pupils to get the higher education for entry into degree courses unless their parents could afford the fees for private education and tutoring. Scholarships funded the very able, but there was stiff competition for those.

Many grammar schools were in fact former fee-paying "good" schools which went over to being free. Divisive and infair to those who didn't get into them at 11 plus? Perhaps - but it was an advance on NO-ONE getting into them. Rome wasn't built in a day, and progress toward universal free secondary education for all, up to University entrance standard, started there. Don't demonise those who got a good education from a grammar school, just because someone else didn't.

Nowadays, in theory, all secondary schools offer to all pupils the same level of education up to a much higher leaving age. But in doing so they have become very large, needing more and more good teachers, and a class can contain those who learn fast and will go on to study for degrees in abstruse subjects and those who can't wait to leave with a few qualifications. The curriculum has to be elastic to suit everyone. Not easy.

Goodness, actually spreading 'fibs' now!

Niggly read my post and the actual quote from the real story within her link. Hoist with her own petard.

Lies and spin.

Never let the truth get in the way of a good story, eh?

Let's face it dj whatever Mrs May does or says will be criticised by you. She is perfectly at liberty to things her own way, even more so bearing in mind the futile opposition sitting on the benches opposite. It must be deeply disappointing to you that the economy hasn't gone belly up, it hasn't and probably won't. No trade deals can properly be put in place till Brexit happens! I thought everyone knew that, so Australia's position is no surprise. What's going on behind the scenes? I don't think even your wretched links know, and Mrs May isn't about to divulge every last detail anytime soon as she has made quite clear, so we'll all just have to wait and see what comes all in good time.

"i followed that link DJ AND the article it was 'allegedly' quoting from and this is what the real story is..

"Formal negotiations would have to wait until Brexit had been completed, but Mr Ciobo said "preliminary discussions around what a post-Brexit Australia-UK trade deal might look like" were taking place already.
Australia would be "well and truly engrossed in negotiations" over its on-going deal with the EU in the meantime, with formal talks due to begin next year, he said.
The UK has no trained trade negotiators of its own, because it cannot sign deals while an EU member - and Mr Ciobo said he had offered to loan Australian experts to the UK for the talks.
Major exports from Australia to the UK include lead, gold, alcoholic beverages and pearls and gems.
Going the other way, according to government figures from 2014, the UK's top exports to Australia include medicines and pharmaceuticals, scientific instruments, clothing accessories and electrical machinery.
After their meeting in London, Mr Fox and Mr Ciobo agreed that officials would meet twice a year to discuss the parameters of what both sides said they hoped would be an "ambitious and comprehensive" deal."

That link was spreading a load of misinformation. More lies!

None of them wen/go to crap comprehensives
Lucky them!
And the comprehensives in that area have improved considerably since then thank goodness so I hope the DGC will benefit.

However, my DC did just fine after they left and went through further education then higher education

politicalscrapbook.net/2016/09/australia-brutally-deflates-tory-dreams-that-we-would-get-a-quick-trade-deal-after-brexit/

Theresa May told us that there were six countries ready to do deals with the UK.
Australia was one of them.

If there is no onesize, there is no comprehensive. That's what comprehensive means.

I went to a grammar school, too. So did my husband. It doesn't mean I want my children and grandchildren to go to them.
None of them wen/go to crap comprehensives.

Grammar Schools!!! I am becoming so ashamed to be British.
Do those of us who went to Grammar School now have to walk round with our heads hung low and a board with 'GS' hung around our necks?

I don't know. Horses for Courses? At least one of my DC would have flourished at a technical school from the age of 14 instead of the crap comprehensive. The others would have fared better at the type of grammar school I attended rather than the crap comprehensive.
One size does not fit all.

There was an urgent question this morning wanting a statement on the government's plan to bring back grammar schools.
Someone checked the statement by Junstine Greening and the word 'grammar' never appeared once.

They will be called grammar schools but are bound to be different. The times are different. Grammar schools had their hey day in the years after the end of the war and a lot of famous writers and TV personalities came from them.
People who would not have had a chance then.

But today they would have because all schools can help really gifted students and so many get to go to University compared to the 1950s.

TM just wants to please her voters and to be honest does anyone really know what she intends? On the Andrew Marr show she talked a lot and was polite and determined but afterwards you realised she had said almost nothing.
Andrew could not get through that suit of armour she wears.

I do not personally know a single person who wants to bring back grammar schools.
I am with Gracesgran.

Funny how so many people welcome them and even more extraordinary is how many politicians while fiercely opposed choose to send their own children a Grammar or even worse Public/Independent School!! Wonder why that is?!! but not very!!

Grammar Schools!!! I am becoming so ashamed to be British.

If you say so!!!!

Ummm!!!!!!!