Welshwife Wed 12.34.
Can I ask the following questions of Welshwife, Tegan, Wilmaknickersfit, grammargran who agree with the words of Jeremy Kinsman.
1.Referenda are the nuclear weapons of democracy. In parliamentary systems they are redundant. Seeking a simplistic binary yes/no answer to complex questions, they succumb to emotion and run amok. Their destructive aftermath lasts for generations.
I see asking the people ina Referendum as 'democracy'. So holding the Scottish Referendum the EU Referendum, indeed any Referendum past, present or future were/will be undemocratic in your opinions?
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3.You should have been sure you had a high-performance team before you leapt. Ambitious defectors from your cabinet and untrustworthy political rivals undermined you.
'JEREMY CORBYN ' was the worst possible ally. His 'INACTIVITY' was an eloquent put-down of the case for remaining.so He hates the EU for reasons opposite to those of the Tory backbenches – he views the EU as a surrogate of a capitalist system he wants to overthrow.
The first sentence is now in hindsight as the Cabinet will involve those whom you and Kinsman viewed as 'Ambitious Defectors' and 'Untrustworthy Political Rivals'.
The second sentence you agree with is saying Jeremy Corbyn
was indeed useless and did not promote the case for Remain. He reiterates too what many, many people have said Jeremy Corbyn hates the EU and has always wanted to overthrow our membership of the EU.
Why if you agree with Kinsman now have you through your posts shown no sign of agreeing with those who have said this on GN , indeed you defended Corbyn if I am not mistaken. Why the change of heart?
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4. In any referendum over separation, the “independence” side appeals to the patriotic heart. The thinking of the Leave side is magical. It plucks at a dimly remembered but glorified past (that was never as good as nostalgia makes it), and offers a future that is imaginary.
So by agreeing with Kinsman are you saying that the call for another Scottish Indepence Referendum is based on a magical memory of a glorified past , nostalgia and an 'imaginary' future for Scotland?
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8. 9. 10. I don't understand these paragraphs at all. Why he has said the points he raises were not said eludes me. He couldn't have been listening very hard to the Remain Campaign , I certainly heard all the warnings over the economy.
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11. Immigration is the issue people say they care about most. The EU is again the popular scapegoat, though it’s not responsible, obviously, for the millions of people and their children, now British, who came from the old multi-coloured Empire back in the day. You surely don’t share the fear that Syrian refugees — that the UK isn’t taking because it’s not in Schengen and doesn’t have to — will rush to take British jobs the moment they qualify as German citizens. Do EU workers actually replace British workers? Sixty percent have jobs lined up before they arrive because UK employers need them. Unemployment across Britain is only 5 percent. The UK has a minimum wage – does a Pole accepting it “undercut” a Brit who thinks he would get more if the Poles weren’t around? Could the NHS do without the 10-20 percent of its professional staff that is from the EU?
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He shows a lack of understanding how the jobs market in the EU/UK works . This brings me back to Corbyn and his inevitable EU speech which at every opportunity he mentioned the Posted Workers Directive and how that piece of EU legislation DOES indeed provide EU workers at lower rates of pay than our own population. (a point he and the Unions have been making for years , but hey don't let's go there).
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The rest of his words are all going to be proved to be either correct or wide off the mark but as a former Ambassador to the European Union 2002-2006, is he not one of those who will be receiving a nice little EU pension and agrees to 'promote' the EU to receive it? I will look into that point later.
.The problem is [imo] they weren't forgotten by the EU but by Westminster 
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