Brexit watch, round 2

(my post obviously to durhamjen)

What? Pardon? I don't think I've ever been accused of nastiness, have I?

Please read my last post.

It's okay, Badenkate. I'm used to being accused of nastiness by Ana.
Strangely enough, the last time I mentioned my broken wrist was a couple of weeks ago, when Anya kindly said she did not know how I coped on my own.

A couple of weeks ago...???

Sorry, forgot I'm off here!

Criticising someone for their spelling? How rude and vulgar is that?!

I have never read this thread , not wanting to involve myself in politics, however on the last hour page I noticed the reference to spelling .
I had only been on GN for a few weeks when I was castigated in a very sarcastic post for either misplacing or missing out a comma.
I felt humiliated and stayed off for weeks. I felt it was one of the nastiest and superior things to do.
I have grown several more layers of skin since then.

That and drawing attention to peoples grammar! That too is pretty unpleasant annsixty and has been known!! Unfortunately one or two people can be a bit superior on this thread in every respect which tends to ruin it for others, hence the lack of posters!

Anya It is not manipulating statistics to state that only 37% of the electorate voted to leave the EU. It is a fact.

As one of the 63% of the electorate who did NOT vote for Brexit, I do not accept that we should quietly accept the appalling cost to our country.

Why keep reiterating about the statistics? Obviously the 37% who did not vote could not care less and will have to accept the consequences (if they even notice!).

We do not know what the cost will be, if any, and there could have been appalling costs if it had gone the other way too, but we will never know.

Thank goodness, even though i voted remain, I am a pragmatist and not a doom-monger. Que sera sera. The future's not ours to see.
It's done. Get on with it.

Probably spelt doom-monger wrong too. And didn't capitalise i
(It's all a result of Brexit.)

It's OK, annsixty, spelling is the least of the 'crimes'. I 'mix with the wrong people', am 'silly' and 'shallow' .
Even so, I still got a vote!

probably got the statistic wrong there too - see what I mean?
But I still got a vote

One could presume that 27.8% of the population could not care less about the EU.

Can't verify this but the S.O. tells me an article on Sky News said that several Japanese companies may leave the UK due to brexit.

I noticed in Theresa May's speech at the G20 summit, she said that the US was the UKs largest import/export market.
Strange how she has already discounted the EU single market, 44.4% exports, 52.9% imports.

Well, if we're already importing/exporting to the US why the need to leave the EU? I thought being in the EU was preventing us from doing that in some way?

Both sides 'lied'.

Both sides have 'taken back words that were said'.

Both sides gave false figures.

It is a continuing folly for any poster to believe they 'know' why another person voted. YOU DON'T KNOW! To keep making statements as to who or why others voted is not adding anything tangible to the situation. It is however allowing the continuation for argument over Brexit which I believe is behind the majority of posts.

A democratic vote was taken and it will be implemented .

Thus far the negative aspects of 'Project Fear' have not particularly manifested themselves , time will tell but so far it wiser to talk about the present knowledge we have to hand , rather than make things up or guess work surely.

The Eurozone is in a bit of a mess at the moment and there is a difficult time ahead for all the 28 countries in the European Union. Brexit is undoubtedly on everyone's mind but don't forget it is only one of the issues the EU Commission/Parliament are facing, albeit a big one.

I am hoping, famous last words, the fact the Euro is under pressure, borders have been put up, the immigration situation has created massive issues might just make the EU Political Elite will for once reflect that Brexit will affect all 28 nations and show maturity, not puerile behaviour of cutting their nose off to spite ALL of our faces.
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'At the start of the G20 Summit, the Japanese government has taken the unprecedented step of warning of a series of corporate exits, great turmoil and harmful effects if Brexit leads to the loss of single market privileges."
....we could have left the EU in future if things had gone badly wrong. As it is we're on a one way ticket with no control and no options. We could have worked with Europe to improve things; we now have no say in anything . I've never said that the EU was perfect but I don't find an uncertain future very good either.

Tegan
I don't know where this idea came from that we couldn't export to America, Australia and so on.

EU members are not tied to exporting only to other EU countries. Nothing stops them from exporting anwhere else, but the EU have trade deals with most other countries, with regulations about how goods (in and out) have to conform to regulations (safety etc) (Goods that conform are entitled to be labelled CE.)

The deals also simplify international trade, because there is one set of standards/paperwork for all EU countries, and minimum paperwork for trading between countries within the EU.

Each trading agreement that the UK establishes without the EU will have to be negotiated with the country concerned, including safety standards, sizing, materials used etc etc,

Except, POGS, that we do not have any knowledge to hand.
I watched Theresa May on the Andrew Marr show. It was all about what she was looking into but no decisions yet.
Quite a waste of time.

I read yesterday that the EU has claimed they won the Rio olympics, taking into account all the medals won by the UK of course; makes one wonder if they are in more need of us than we are of them.

Why will it have to be negotiated with each country separately? I have never understood that.
The EU still exists as a separate entity.
In fact, if all the other countries stick together and say they will only negotiate as the EU, where will that leave the UK?
The UKs largest export market in 2014 was the EU, 44.4%
Of that 8.4% was with Germany, 6.6% with Netherlands, 5.9% with France and 5.4% with Ireland.

We exported 17.1% to the USA, but only imported 9.4% from them.
We are not the USA's main country for exports. They export far more to the rest of the EU.

I was speaking of the countries outside the EU. The EU negotiations will cover all EU countries in one bloc.

Durhamjen

There are plenty of details as to how Brexit has been viewed that I am thinking of. Everything I mention could be altered/changed on the spin of a sixpence the world of politics is so fickle.

The Housing Market was going to crash, No it hasn't as of to date it is looking as though confidence has not been too badly hit.

Jobs were going to be lost, No there is still good news on the joibless total.

Retail Sales rose 1.4% in July confounding 'economists' who predicted only a 0.2% rise.

The IMF said that Brexit would be 'pretty bad to very, very bad'. It would trigger an immediate recession here. What has happened ? The IMF have embarrassingly admitted 'so far' the British economy will grow faster than the Eurozone including Germany and France. Then again this is the same IMF in 2013 said 'The British government was 'playing with fire ' by pressing ahead with austerity at a time of low growth'. What happened? The IMF were forced to admit 'They got it wrong'.

Business has had a mixed reaction but there have been voices such as BOEING who promised to boost investment here. REED RECRUITMENT has said demand has flourished since the referendum. GATWICK and HEATHROW had their busiest ever July and the BRITISH TOURIST industry is doing well. AMAZON is investing in the UK. WELLS FARGO BANK is reported as buying a UK Head Quarters in London.

I could go on with many more snippets of positive information.

Playing devils advocate I understand today's news is all about the Japanese warning over their business interests here such as Nissan but they have not said they will definitely move , who knows?

It's because there is an unknown as to what Brexit will eventually mean for the UK I cannot go along with the posters who refuse to accept there is nothing positive likely to happen, everything about Brexit is to be feared. The same as I don't agree there is nothing to worry about.

I am now of the frame of mind NOBODY KNOWS what will happen but that applies to both Brexit and the European Union.

I agree with you, POGS, that 'nobody knows'.

Nevertheless, I still don't really understand what people thought they would gain by voting Leave. I also think that people need to watch what the UK government decides to do with its newly gained control and money. It will almost certainly not have the same priorities as the EU, so certain groups need to make their case.