Beginning to distrust Jeremy Corbyn

Obie, I would appreciate your comments on Hammond saying he wouldn't go to the aid of Ukraine.

*and why she still insisted that those who agree with Corbyn are automatically said to be Momentum supporters.

Yet another lie you all insist on saying as often as possible even though we tell you it's not true*

Where have I said this?

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/26/corbyn-leader-brexit-labour-rebels-sabotage

An excellent article by Paul Mason.

'But one thing I do know: Corbyn is incapable of lying to the British people; he is inured to elite politics; he didn’t spend his entire life in a Machiavellian project to gain power and an invitation to Oleg Deripaska’s yacht. That’s why I voted for him and will do so again if you trigger a leadership vote.
I disagree with Corbyn on Trident and on Syria, and I would have liked him to demand stronger reforms from Europe. I disagreed with Ed Miliband on a lot more – but I respected him as a politician of principle and the elected leader.

In your minds I suspect some of you crave the emergence of a less slick, more plebeian Blair: somebody to fight populism with populism. The referendum was won by clowns: Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage. If we in Labour want to summon up our own populist clown let’s think hard before doing so. We need a careful process of analysis and rebuilding, based on evidence not hysteria.'

From the article for those of you who cannot be bothered to read it.

Listening to it Petra, never heard of The Canary .

petra 22.47pm
www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jeremy-corbyns-refusal-to-commit-to-defend-nato-allies-from-russia-attacked-by-labour-figures_uk_57b6cc64e4b0f78b2b493b35
I think I mentioned France because I read the same article elsewhere where the commentator mentioned France.

I assume all major politicians have personal security. Yet JC would not defend the rest of us in the west from attack it seems.

www.spectator.co.uk/2015/11/jeremy-corbyn-isnt-anti-war-hes-just-anti-west/

I have read or heard that before about media not reporting much about JC for the same reason.

'Back in February these polls – from Ipsos Mori, YouGov, ComRes and Survation – reckoned on average that just under three-quarters (74%) of those who voted Labour in last year’s general election intended to vote for remain. In short, it was apparent from the very beginning that a substantial minority of Labour supporters were disinclined to follow their party’s recommendation to back remain.

The early months of campaigning simply saw this pattern maintained. When these four polls were conducted in mid-May, again on average 74% of Labour supporters indicated that they would vote remain.

When these polls produced their final estimates on the eve of polling day, support for remain among Labour supporters had eased back a little, but still stood at 72%. Moreover, this was against the backdrop of a marked drop in the overall level support for remain, a drop that was especially in evidence in polls conducted by phone, which account for three of the four polls examined here.

Far from being especially marked amongst Labour supporters, it was amongst Conservative voters that the fall in support for remain during the campaign appears to have been heaviest.

Earlier in the campaign our four polls suggested Conservative supporters would divide roughly 50:50 between remain and leave. In February 48% of them said on average that they would back remain, while in May the figure was 51%. However, by the time polling day was approaching support for remain had fallen back to 44%.

Of course, if Labour had fought a more enthusiastic and effective campaign in favour of staying in the EU then maybe support for leaving among its supporters might have been whittled down. But it is also open to doubt whether many of the working-class “left behind” voters that formed the core of leave support would have responded to such efforts.

In truth, if the finger of blame for remain’s defeat is to be pointed anywhere it is better directed at the prime minister rather than Corbyn. David Cameron failed to bring his party with him at all, and in the event that simply proved too much of a handicap for the pro-EU camp to overcome.'

From a Guardian article on 4th July.
Not that I expect anti-Corbynites to believe it.

'Sources said Mr Hammond told the top brass – including Chief of the Defence Staff General Sir Nick Houghton – that Britain failing to take part in military intervention in Ukraine would “not affect our world standing”.

Mr Hammond has been slated for slashing defence numbers. Cutbacks will reduce the Army from 120,000 soldiers to 80,000 by 2020. Experts think the cuts have helped convince Russian President Mr Putin to consider grabbing land.

A UK Government spokesman said: “Our stance on military intervention is clear and long standing. We believe the situation in Ukraine should be dealt with through diplomacy and mediation in the relevant international ­organisations such as the UN.”

Foreign Secretary William Hague yesterday said Britain was ready to pay the economic price of imposing tougher trade sanctions on Russia over its “bullying” in Ukraine. US President Barack Obama also accused Mr Putin of failing to “lift a finger” to persuade pro-Russia militants in Ukraine to defuse the crisis.'

More about Tory defence policy. I await Oliver Kamm's article on it.

Come on, petra, what do you expect from the editor of the bloody Sun? You are getting ridiculous now.

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A graph showing membership of the Labour party.
When Blair was PM it halved from 400,000 to less than 200,000.
Some Labour members on here would obviously be quite happy to keep it that way. Still more than the Tories 150,000, but we do not have lots of rich people to subsidise the membership, who, incidentally, had their vote on the leadership taken away from them.

Anyone watching Newsnight. The editor of the sun was asked why the newspapers ignore JC: reply from editor " because he's not important, he's a non story, he's * never* going to win a general election"
So he's saying there's not much to say about a nonentity. That's got to be the worst put down ever.

'Defence Secretary Philip Hammond has secretly told armed forces chiefs that our troops would not go into battle to help save Ukraine if Russia invaded.

The Tory has seemingly washed his hands of the region, claiming that the sacrifice of parts of Ukraine to Moscow would not be important to the UK.

It would mean that Britain had failed to honour a 1994 agreement to assure Ukraine’s security in exchange for it giving up nuclear weapons.

Insiders said Mr Hammond made the remarks during a meeting with the UK’s top armed forces chiefs.

A source told the Mirror: “This is an astonishing stance – especially since publicly the Government wants Russia to fear a robust response from Britain if sanctions don’t stop Vladimir Putin.'

How much flak did Hammond get for this when he was defence secretary?

No lie about him not pulling his weight in the Brexit campaign, he didn't because he wanted out. The holiday he took cannot be claimed he needed it because he was exhausted. Not one to debate , how many people would he have reached if he had agreed to take part? Damn sight more than small venues , he came to Cardiff , I would have to have travelled fifty miles , further north in this county people would have to have travelled over eighty miles . Hex dodged it because he wanted out and his cabinet knew it which is why they resigned , he let them down so let's stop the poor Jeremy is a victim

obieone do you think that he's hated so much that he needs security.
Can I ask why you mentioned France in the context of Russia attacking a European country. I think Putin has enough on his plate with Syria and the Ukraine.

Before you praise Oliver Kamm's article, you ought to read his wikipaedia entry.

Obieone, where did Corbyn say he wouldn't intervene if Russia attacked France?

Actually the Brexiteers tried to organise three concerts, but when the people they signed up found out what it was for, they pulled out.
At least Corbyn can get entertainers supporting him.

I did not turn on obie. I asked her why she was concerned and why she still insisted that those who agree with Corbyn are automatically said to be Momentum supporters.

Yet another lie you all insist on saying as often as possible even though we tell you it's not true, same as the lies aqbout him not pulling his weight on the Remain vote.

The New Statesman is not renowned for supporting Corbyn, but it does tell the truth sometimes.

www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2016/06/dont-blame-jeremy-corbyn-polls-show-only-tory-voters-could-have-kept-us-eu

Tory party laughing at us again.

The link from thatbags is a real eye-opener.

I presume Jeremy has personal security for himself and his friends.
But he wont intervene if Russia attacked France.

If it wasn't for the fact it will be on record I think I would find it difficult to believe Petra , helps to understand even more why so many MP's have no trust in him

"The fraudulent justifications for intervening in a 'genicide' that never really existed in Kosovo "
Wave goodbye to the Muslim vote, Jeramy.

Just thought, if only he had put this effort into the Brexit campaign , instead he went on holiday

So they sre held for him to canvassed for votes but classed as light entertainment venues !

I presume it's part of the JC4PM tour, with people like Billy Bragg and Jeremy Hardy, hosted by Mark Serwotka, and with speakers like Len McCluskey and Wrack.

I laughed with him Jalima, not at him.

What would it cost to hold an event in the O2 , there was one there, it was there McDonald called fellow labour MP's f*****g losers, gentler politics my foot

thatbags, thank you for your link, dear god he denied the atrocities in
Kosovo took place, I was shocked when he said if PM he would not aid any country in NATO which was attacked

Whitewave, I thought you meant you had to pay to go to hear him speak at his political rallies held in one of those great halls. I can see that they would ask for a collection or donation to help fund the hall etc as can be the norm but it is the money above that that I would want to know was being used solely for Labour Party electioneering etc for all candidates. So this night with the comedians will not be at all political? What is its purpose then? Just a jolly night out with JC?

Well Obieone, as one Labour Party member I can assure you I would have nothing to do with a momentum , have never joined a fan club in my life - unless you count The
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